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Take all the evidence and show how it reverses in the aftermath of 9/11.

Nope the majority hate imperialist Western policy actually. They hate the fact we've been propping up dictators in Islamic nations for the last 80 years. They hate the fact this has allowed them to be abused and denied opportunities to get ahead in life due to the dictators "look after who i know". They hate the fact we allow Israel to carry on it's aggressive behaviour in the region and its occupation of Palestine. They hate the fact we've engaged in occupations and bombing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan which have decimated civilian populations. They hate the fact that we care about natural resources more than we care about people.

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I hate the Muslim exremist policy of Osama
I hate the radical policies and views of the Iranian Amedinijan government
There are other dictators in the world other than muslim ones
The understanding (or lack of) that the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have virtually zip to do with religion.

your argument is that 9/11 happened because all of the points you made. you also use "they" which is pretty fcking generic and rude.
given 9/11 happened because of these points, in your logic it follows it is ok to hold an anti-muslim view because of the atrocities carried out in the name of islam.

i shall also make it clear that i hold no ill feeling to the majority of the muslim population.
 
The pc brigade do exist most Muslims are not offended by Christmas celebrations etc and its embarrassing for them when some busy body decides its offensive.

Britain’s culture and traditions are going out the window, if I emigrated to another country I would embrace and respect the culture of that nation not claim offence or try to change it to suit my beliefs.

What does 'Britain's culture and traditions' mean to you?
 
Seems to me that those who suggest that "traditional values" are eroded are labelled as thick....but they must have something about them if they managed to make it up in the first place. Unless there is some truth in it.....

Britishness, British culture, British identity has been fluent for the last 400 years. The one outstanding ideological constant in that period has been multi-nationalism and multi-culturalism. I would have said Protestant Christianity as well up until about sixty years ago. You'd be hard pushed to offer anything else though.
 
I don't see why kids should be force fed any religion at school it's all bollocks

I think people should learn about and understand religion rationally. Then we'd have less of this islamaphobia and perhaps less religious people in general. Only a good thing for modern society.
 
Britishness, British culture, British identity has been fluent for the last 400 years. The one outstanding ideological constant in that period has been multi-nationalism and multi-culturalism. I would have said Protestant Christianity as well up until about sixty years ago. You'd be hard pushed to offer anything else though.

Do things never change then?
 
Hudson road school in Hendon stopped the nativity plays, but started to hold Islamic religious holidays and themes, now it may well be that the Bangladeshi kids outnumber the white kids there but it shows that its being eroded, and if they want to show minority religions and cultures more acceptance then surely the Christian faith is the one in the minority in Hudson road school.

I'm going to guess that Hudson Road School had a Christmas Tree, sang Christmas carols, took Christmas holidays, had an advent calendar, swapped Christmas presence, recited Christmas hymns and decorated the school with Christmas decorations.

Which bits are incorrect?
 
To suggest that this country is losing it's ID is ridiculous.
To suggest that political correctness does not exist is ridiculous.
Same old, same old. Both sides believe they are right and they both are to a degree.
Meanwhile, the world turns.
 
Culture and tradition are built up over 100s of years. You can't give an example of culture if its not constant. Not sure why you've asked that question :lol:

Maybe this is the start of a hundred year change eh? :lol: back at you.
 
The fact is, the main erosion of "British culture" actually came, ironically enough, under the Tories in the 80s. The majority of stuff we stood for, produced etc was killed off then. To me, modern Britain is about greed, wealth, aspiration, about as anti-Christian a set of values as they come. Not that secular Britain is inherently Christian, as you rightly point out, but if you want to worry about its erosion then don't blame the influx of other religions or the magical PC brigade.

I've no problem with people expressing their religion, its just laughable that people think that either a) Christmas and the like are under threat when its of such commercial value to the economy or b) that Christmas has anything left to do with Christianity. The Christmas we have now best represents what is British culture and you're right to go out and lavish hundreds of pounds on your family (possibly by racking up debt) is the last thing being threatened. If it was threatened by anything, be it Islam or otherwise, the government would step in.

I think you misread me, I haven't at all and agree with you. Secularism and Materialism did away with the popualrity of Christianity in this country decades ago, at least.

I find it distatseful that people however talk about Islam and multi ethnic communities undermining our Christian heritage, when, as you rightly point out, the attitude of the majority of Britain's is very anti Christian. If one is not a practisicing Christian then I don't see why you care about what Islam is supposedly doing to a religion that you don't care about anyway. It's just an excuse to lambast a group you don't like.
 
Its a fact mate, my brother lives in east grinstead (South of London) and they dont have some of the traditions in schools we still have up here due to the influx of other cultures and the PC brigade out in force.

I was in East Grinstead yesterday and didn't see anything other than inbred bumpkins and chavery ... could the PC brigade have been camouflaged?

It's very English, apart from the Mormon tabernacle and the Voodoo parlour.
 
I'm going to guess that Hudson Road School had a Christmas Tree, sang Christmas carols, took Christmas holidays, had an advent calendar, swapped Christmas presence, recited Christmas hymns and decorated the school with Christmas decorations.

Which bits are incorrect?

Those bits, and from what I was told by other kids parents, the Muslims were allowed to stay in the classroom when the Carols were sung in the hall, but all the kids had to go to the hall for eid celebrations.
 
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I hate the Muslim exremist policy of Osama
I hate the radical policies and views of the Iranian Amedinijan government

There are other dictators in the world other than muslim ones
The understanding (or lack of) that the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have virtually zip to do with religion.

your argument is that 9/11 happened because all of the points you made. you also use "they" which is pretty fcking generic and rude.
given 9/11 happened because of these points, in your logic it follows it is ok to hold an anti-muslim view because of the atrocities carried out in the name of islam.

i shall also make it clear that i hold no ill feeling to the majority of the muslim population.


What's that got to do with anything?

Still failing to see the relevance are you saying we should arm non Muslim dictators too to balance it out?


What's the point you're trying to make here?

My argument is that these things cause global extremism and opposition to the West, not simply 9/11.

My logic isn't that it's ok, it's trying to explain extremism in a way other than "They hate us 'cos of what we are" which leads to thinking Islam in general is to be feared by all. In reality i'm saying that extremism has it's roots in politics, rather than in religion or culture exclusively which has been suggested. No it wouldn't be reasonable to hate people a unified group of people for the actions of a small minority and i'd expect people in a developed nation with entrenched education systems and what we would hope is an enlightened population to see past massive sweeping generalisations. Alas this isn't always the case.

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