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Sorry but this is the noble savage argument.

I agree that Muslims don't blanket hate the West, and that they also have reason to feel aggrieved at the past actions of Western Imperialism, but this is massivley over the top.

The Islamic nations and states have just as strong, and a longer, history of imperialism and conquest as the West, replete with slavery and all the other miserable aspects of empire. Nor is there is nothing to suggest, in reality, that muslim socities value people any more than we do. They might hate the West for this, but if they do then it is hypocritcal.

He is right though. The west, now, are perceived as raping the muslim world for its resources etc. Rightly so tbf. We supply the arms to their dictators etc. We remove dictators who get in the way of our access to resources but prop up the ones who give us a cushy deal. Neo-colonialism man.
 
Do you think my head zips up at the back? Get off your soapbox and see what is going on. Do you think that the actions of 9/11 wouldn't stir up feeling? Or 7/7 for that matter? Whatever the reasons for the anti-west then the reaction should (in your logic) engender anti-islamic feeling.

why can't people fcking understand that living in harmony just isn't possible. people are *****.

blaming the media is just too easy.

That's for failing to address anything i said there. As usual just completely ignoring reasoned, considered and rational debate backed up with evidence.

Don't even know why i bother coming on here the standard of debate is pathetic.
 
That's for failing to address anything i said there. As usual just completely ignoring reasoned, considered and rational debate backed up with evidence.

Don't even know why i bother coming on here the standard of debate is pathetic.

What an arrogant twat
 
Sorry but this is the noble savage argument.

I agree that Muslims don't blanket hate the West, and that they also have reason to feel aggrieved at the past actions of Western Imperialism, but this is massivley over the top.

The Islamic nations and states have just as strong, and a longer, history of imperialism and conquest as the West, replete with slavery and all the other miserable aspects of empire. Nor is there is nothing to suggest, in reality, that muslim socities value people any more than we do. They might hate the West for this, but if they do then it is hypocritcal.

Some Muslims are good, some are bad, most are probably a bit of both, as with any culture/people/race

All those facts i gave are true and have existed in the last 30 years. Is there any wonder some people are angry? If you watch tapes released in the aftermath of terrorist attacks they address those exact points i've given . . . .

It's not the noble savage argument. The noble savage argument is that everyone's good until they're corrupted by modernity. I didn't suggest that. I suggested that a lot of modern extremism is politically motivated not due to some innate cultural incompatibility or even necessarily due to a direct link to what they've learned religiously.
 
That's for failing to address anything i said there. As usual just completely ignoring reasoned, considered and rational debate backed up with evidence.

Don't even know why i bother coming on here the standard of debate is pathetic.

You're a typical student know-nothing. You wouldn't be missed.
 
Well then, come on, explain to me. What is this Great British culture were losing by accommodating people of various races, religions and nationalities?



Same difference marra. People of all faiths, races etc are charged for incitement.

You know, things like Christmas and Easter that are slowly being eroded away, kids can't have a nativity play at some schools because it may upset other religions, but it's OK for them to have Eid etc, councils re naming Christmas lights, witer festival lights etc, are you getting the picture yet ?
 
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He is right though. The west, now, are perceived as raping the muslim world for its resources etc. Rightly so tbf. We supply the arms to their dictators etc. We remove dictators who get in the way of our access to resources but prop up the ones who give us a cushy deal. Neo-colonialism man.

Oh no, I agree. I was just correcting the assertion that conquest and colonialism exclsuivley were/are western characterisitcs for which the West should be exclusivley villified. I don't think it's helpful to see it as being a war between bad capitalists and good, humble Muslims, which that post kind of hinted at in my eyes.
 
You know, things like Christmas and Easter that are slowly being eroded away, kids can't have a nativity play at some schools because it may upset other religions, but it's OK for them to have Eid etc.

None existent daily mail fantasies.
 
You know, things like Christmas and Easter that are slowly being eroded away, kids can't have a nativity play at some schools because it may upset other religions, but it's OK for them to have Eid etc, councils re naming Christmas lights, witer festival lights etc, are you getting the picture yet ?

Are you a Christian? Do you go to church on Christmas, Easter? Do you belive in Christ?
 
Oh no, I agree. I was just correcting the assertion that conquest and colonialism exclsuivley were/are western characterisitcs for which the West should be exclusivley villified. I don't think it's helpful to see it as being a war between bad capitalists and good, humble Muslims, which that post kind of hinted at in my eyes.

No one suggested it was a unique Western phenomenon. There has been no unified Muslim threat since the Ottoman empire fell apart post WW1 though. We're still at it now which quite understandably causes anger.
 
You know, things like Christmas and Easter that are slowly being eroded away, kids can't have a nativity play at some schools because it may upset other religions, but it's OK for them to have Eid etc, councils re naming Christmas lights, witer festival lights etc, are you getting the picture yet ?

Is this Christmas, the "Christian" festival, which now has about as much to do with Christianity as a wet turd? I'm not Christian either, and I live in a secular society. So even if it was being eroded, which its not, then it wouldn't particularly bother me. Its a celebration of capitalism, nothing more or less, symbolised by things like a fat bastard in a red suit and Christmas trees. Again, neither of which have anything to do with Christianity. If anything Winter festival is a more apt name.
 
Really ? how come we had a leaflet from Sunderland council the other year describing the Xmas lights as Winter festival lights then.................

Fuck knows if you did. I was referring to the idea that people can't have a nativity play cos people will get offended by them. f***ing laughable.
 
That's for failing to address anything i said there. As usual just completely ignoring reasoned, considered and rational debate backed up with evidence.

Don't even know why i bother coming on here the standard of debate is pathetic.

fine you're welcome to p1ss off with your ridiculously liberal, everyones cool man, views.

you seem to have tripped up on the fact that all of the evidence you gave can be reversed in the aftermath of 9/11. As they say in popular culture 2 wrongs don't make a right.

believe it or not it is ok to have conflicting views on things. there isn't one easy answer...
 
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