France bans the Burka


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I never had a hissy fit but you seem to be on the verge.
You said you wanted them to get worse to give us more ammo against them. You said ban the burkha despite the fact it would obviously give rise to extremists.

I want them to get worse to the point our government and general public will no longer tolerate them.

I'd see that as a positive.
 
100% correct.

It does have to said however when people lose their jobs to be replaced by foreigners you can forgive perhaps less intelligent people for turning to far-right groups out of sheer frustration. Fascism isn't the answer, but the problem is the moderate governments just don't do anything.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Extremism on either side kills rational debate, and the practice of replacing indigenous workers with cheaper foreigners will lead to people being pissed off.

However, the BNP mindset seems to be more pissed off with other cultures demonstrating their own culture than employers giving jobs to Eastern Europeans.

If Bob T Builder loses his job to a Latvian as House Builders Ltd. want to save a few quid, then Bob will be angry. The BNP then say to Bob - "Ere, Bob, them foreigners! Look at their daft clothes! Let's drive the pak... extremists out!".

Therefore, Bob's initial grievance goes unanswered, and Bob helps to make his country that little bit shitter by vilifying fellow Brits for not being white Christians.

Meanwhile, his old boss continues to make more money.
 
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Strange one that like considering how heavily they have gone for sunderland in the past and their vote actually increased last time iirc



I'd see it as f***ing hell on

Their vote decreased last time.

And as you say they are skint. Something to do with Marmite.
 
The sad fact is that all of these issues could have avoided if the Government had one iota of common sense.

The whole thing with immigration, multi-culturalism, religion etc. has all gone to shit because it's been allowed to get to a stage where when people do try and do something about it there's hell on. So you get extreme-right bigots getting ammunition to fire and that in turn gives Islamic extremists ammunition to fire and everyone else in the middle nit picks and argues.

Correct, the two main parties that have been in power over the last century have both fucked it right up, and are now playing the blame game, I mean I've got mates of all races and creeds from all over the planet, and they all say the same thing, where they live, that if there culture was threatened they would be up in arms about it, but we've got people like that twat George Gallaway, who want's Sharia law, and want to allow mosques to put those loudspeakers on them to call Muslims into prayer, FFS that would start at 4:30 am and happen 7 times a day, these people have watches and alarm clocks, why the fuck do they want to disturb everyone else's peace and quiet, this the sort of thing that's going to cause unrest, we seem to be hell bent on bending over backwards for others at the expense of our own culture.
 
I'd see it as f***ing hell on

But they keep telling us that the extremists are such a small minority. Surely the more moderate Muslims would be in favour of taking them off the streets also...
 
The current situation suits the incumbent governments. They can go about f***ing us all over financially while everyone squabbles amongst themselves over things like race and religion. Really, they are as good as non issues, but the right like to make the issues. Great for those in power, another distraction and scapegoat when in reality its their financial policy that has been kicking those on lower incomes for decades.

I do have to disagree in part there. For the most part yes, most of us get along I would like to think. The twats who "just hate pakis" are clearly either thick as mince or looking for a scapegoat.

But it does have to be said there are massive double standards in this country with reagrds to racial and religious incitement. I know the old line is constantly trotted out; "if we did that to them" or "if it was the other way around" etc but the fact is it is true a lot of the time. Somebody burns a Koran, he is charged (and charges dropped to be fair) but he was arrested. If somebody burned a Bible on youtube it is highly unlikely the police would become involved. It's things like that which sticks in people's craws.
 
Correct, the two main parties that have been in power over the last century have both fucked it right up, and are now playing the blame game, I mean I've got mates of all races and creeds from all over the planet, and they all say the same thing, where they live, that if there culture was threatened they would be up in arms about it, but we've got people like that twat George Gallaway, who want's Sharia law, and want to allow mosques to put those loudspeakers on them to call Muslims into prayer, FFS that would start at 4:30 am and happen 7 times a day, these people have watches and alarm clocks, why the fuck do they want to disturb everyone else's peace and quiet, this the sort of thing that's going to cause unrest, we seem to be hell bent on bending over backwards for others at the expense of our own culture.

Which is what exactly?
 
Who said I wanted to ban head coverings? I said I don't think there is a clear cut answer, I can see reasonings for both arguments. My point was where does it stop. As for the appeasement point I was making; I was A) deliberately stirring B) making the point that if we continue to let people do what they want under the guise of freedom of expression then the majority will inevitably get p1ssed off. You simply cannot deny there is an anti-muslim feeling pervading the country, nay western world. please explain why this is. it isn't just the media.

I think you'll find the BNP were becoming a bit more popular before the recession but you are correct in the point you are making.

It is like. Since the rise of Iran and the Ayotollah our media decided all Muslims are f***ing nutters. The recent wave of demonisation since September 11th is just the latest wave.

It allows a simple explanation of anger by some in the Muslim world, why some become radicalised and why some Muslims in the West symapthise without trying to actually analyse the problem. THEY HATE US. THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM. THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

Nope the majority hate imperialist Western policy actually. They hate the fact we've been propping up dictators in Islamic nations for the last 80 years. They hate the fact this has allowed them to be abused and denied opportunities to get ahead in life due to the dictators "look after who i know". They hate the fact we allow Israel to carry on it's aggressive behaviour in the region and its occupation of Palestine. They hate the fact we've engaged in occupations and bombing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan which have decimated civilian populations. They hate the fact that we care about natural resources more than we care about people.

For the papers, and the governments, it's a lot better to get people to believe that Muslims are deeply horrible, evil people who are out to get us, rather that analyse the root problems of why we are unpopular in Muslim nations, and possibly explain the causes of why some get involved in Jihadist movements. Unfortunately as a result of this, all Muslims have ended up in the "nutter" category with some quarters and they really can't see the difference.

Sorry for the dose of reality.
 
I do have to disagree in part there. For the most part yes, most of us get along I would like to think. The twats who "just hate pakis" are clearly either thick as mince or looking for a scapegoat.

But it does have to be said there are massive double standards in this country with reagrds to racial and religious incitement. I know the old line is constantly trotted out; "if we did that to them" or "if it was the other way around" etc but the fact is it is true a lot of the time. Somebody burns a Koran, he is charged (and charges dropped to be fair) but he was arrested. If somebody burned a Bible on youtube it is highly unlikely the police would become involved. It's things like that which sticks in people's craws.

Wasn't that lad who burned a poppy charged?
 
It is like. Since the rise of Iran and the Ayotollah our media decided all Muslims are f***ing nutters. The recent wave of demonisation since September 11th is just the latest wave.

It allows a simple explanation of anger by some in the Muslim world, why some become radicalised and why some Muslims in the West symapthise without trying to actually analyse the problem. THEY HATE US. THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM. THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

Nope the majority hate imperialist Western policy actually. They hate the fact we've been propping up dictators in Islamic nations for the last 80 years. They hate the fact this has allowed them to be abused and denied opportunities to get ahead in life due to the dictators "look after who i know". They hate the fact we allow Israel to carry on it's aggressive behaviour in the region and its occupation of Palestine. They hate the fact we've engaged in occupations and bombing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan which have decimated civilian populations. They hate the fact that we care about natural resources more than we care about people.

For the papers, and the governments, it's a lot better to get people to believe that Muslims are deeply horrible, evil people who are out to get us, rather that analyse the root problems of why we are unpopular in Muslim nations, and possibly explain the causes of why some get involved in Jihadist movements. Unfortunately as a result of this, all Muslims have ended up in the "nutter" category with some quarters and they really can't see the difference.

Sorry for the dose of reality.

Sorry but this is the noble savage argument.

I agree that Muslims don't blanket hate the West, and that they also have reason to feel aggrieved at the past actions of Western Imperialism, but this is massivley over the top.

The Islamic nations and states have just as strong, and a longer, history of imperialism and conquest as the West, replete with slavery and all the other miserable aspects of empire. Nor is there is nothing to suggest, in reality, that muslim socities value people any more than we do. They might hate the West for this, but if they do then it is hypocritcal.

Some Muslims are good, some are bad, most are probably a bit of both, as with any culture/people/race
 
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It is like. Since the rise of Iran and the Ayotollah our media decided all Muslims are f***ing nutters. The recent wave of demonisation since September 11th is just the latest wave.

It allows a simple explanation of anger by some in the Muslim world, why some become radicalised and why some Muslims in the West symapthise without trying to actually analyse the problem. THEY HATE US. THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM. THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

Nope the majority hate imperialist Western policy actually. They hate the fact we've been propping up dictators in Islamic nations for the last 80 years. They hate the fact this has allowed them to be abused and denied opportunities to get ahead in life due to the dictators "look after who i know". They hate the fact we allow Israel to carry on it's aggressive behaviour in the region and its occupation of Palestine. They hate the fact we've engaged in occupations and bombing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan which have decimated civilian populations. They hate the fact that we care about natural resources more than we care about people.

For the papers, and the governments, it's a lot better to get people to believe that Muslims are deeply horrible, evil people who are out to get us, rather that analyse the root problems of why we are unpopular in Muslim nations, and possibly explain the causes of why some get involved in Jihadist movements. Unfortunately as a result of this, all Muslims have ended up in the "nutter" category with some quarters and they really can't see the difference.

Sorry for the dose of reality.

Do you think my head zips up at the back? Get off your soapbox and see what is going on. Do you think that the actions of 9/11 wouldn't stir up feeling? Or 7/7 for that matter? Whatever the reasons for the anti-west then the reaction should (in your logic) engender anti-islamic feeling.

why can't people fcking understand that living in harmony just isn't possible. people are *****.

blaming the media is just too easy.
 
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