France bans the Burka


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Never mind the racial tension that it'll increase.

let's appease the minority then. this is basically the argument of the thread. it's got fck all to do with womens rights...this is slightly more hardline muslims v slighty more fed up/marginalised British folk. You can pretend it's not but the racial tension is already there.
 
let's appease the minority then. this is basically the argument of the thread. it's got fck all to do with womens rights...this is slightly more hardline muslims v slighty more fed up/marginalised British folk. You can pretend it's not but the racial tension is already there.


Rolling it back to its bare bones... If the Goverment randomly introduced a Law stating that at no time in public should a person's face be covered, there'd be f***ing chaos.:lol:
 
let's appease the minority then. this is basically the argument of the thread. it's got fck all to do with womens rights...this is slightly more hardline muslims v slighty more fed up/marginalised British folk. You can pretend it's not but the racial tension is already there.

Not banning the burqa is passive, and banning it is active.

So, this is a decision based on (and let's call a spade a spade here) appeasing perma-terrified racist morons who, for reasons of regrettable égalité, have been granted a f***ing vote.

It's also telling how debate on such issues cast Muslims who follow the more optional aspects of their faith as 'hardline' or 'extremist', yet would refer to Jews who do likewise as 'orthodox'.

Rolling it back to its bare bones... If the Goverment randomly introduced a Law stating that at no time in public should a person's face be covered, there'd be f***ing chaos.:lol:

That is the law, believe it or not. It would be against EU law to ban religious garb.

Absurd arguement :roll:

Why?

We've been told on this thread that the ban is about security - let's ban curtains so there's no hiding place for bombmakers.

Or the ban is all about protecting women - let's ban blinds to expose the wifebeaters.


Of course, the ban has nothing to do with either of those things.
 
Not banning the burqa is passive, and banning it is active.

So, this is a decision based on (and let's call a spade a spade here) appeasing perma-terrified racist morons who, for reasons of regrettable égalité, have been granted a f***ing vote.

It's also telling how debate on such issues cast Muslims who follow the more optional aspects of their faith as 'hardline' or 'extremist', yet would refer to Jews who do likewise as 'orthodox'.

That is the law, believe it or not. It would be against EU law to ban religious garb.

i don't believe i have referred to a jew who wears optional garb as orthodox at any point here. this has NOTHING to do with the headgear and you know fine well it isn't. stop being a smart @rse about it and get off the fence.

i am fully aware of the law spav and our submission to the EU

as for your perma-terrified racist morons who have a vote thanks to the democratic system we live under, how about the perma-insular racist morons who want sharia law in the UK who also have a vote. both equally ugly people who have a vote. unfortunately.
 
Well yer kna what I mean. :lol:

It's a bullshit rightwing crowdpleaser. Tantamount to lawful legislation being filed on the back of a text message poll in the The Sun.

No, I do and was agreeing with you. I'm just adding- they ostensibly state a certain aim, yet simultaneously provide no means for testing whether the answer to the 'problem' actually achieves that aim, or whether in fact it makes the worse.

You know, it's almost like they don't care about emancipating women at all!
 
No, I do and was agreeing with you. I'm just adding- they ostensibly state a certain aim, yet simultaneously provide no means for testing whether the answer to the 'problem' actually achieves that aim, or whether in fact it makes the worse.

You know, it's almost like they don't care about emancipating women at all!

Oh I got you, don't worry.;)
 
i don't believe i have referred to a jew who wears optional garb as orthodox at any point here. this has NOTHING to do with the headgear and you know fine well it isn't. stop being a smart @rse about it and get off the fence.

i am fully aware of the law spav and our submission to the EU

as for your perma-terrified racist morons who have a vote thanks to the democratic system we live under, how about the perma-insular racist morons who want sharia law in the UK who also have a vote. both equally ugly people who have a vote. unfortunately.

Sharia Law will never happen though. The burqa ban might.

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hewooooh the burkha isnt "religious garb"

Garb that's worn in the name of religion then.

All clothes people wear in the name of religion are the same - i.e. human trinkets based on tradition rather than religious teachings. See Bill Hicks routine on the crucifix / JFK.
 
So again, it should be us that bows down to suit others instead of them integrating into OUR culture.If i wouldn't wxpect it if i moved abroad( And i would love to move to Spain and retire in years to come, but i would be more than willing to fit in with their culture, otherwise i wouldn't go in the first place)

It's not exactly integrating is it? but people some people seem happy that they feel good, by saying it should be allowed, and we need to let every other culture be accepted, even if it doesn't fit into ours.Very strange in my opinion.If i was told it wasn't in their culture to wear shorts and no top at certain placec in their country, i would accept that, not go the opposite.

Too many people want to pat themselves on the back thinking they are doing the right thing by been tolerant, but i think it has swung the other way, where we now go over the top to accomodate others while not upsetting others with ours.

France have some balls for a change.They also take the piss out of us, by moving immigrants through their country, straight to ours.I always thought they were daft, but they seem to have their head screwed on more than i thought.

How long before we have no culture of ourselves? If we are so great that we are tolerant, is it not best to show them the benifits of our culture if they want to integrate?
 
So again, it should be us that bows down to suit others instead of them integrating into OUR culture.If i wouldn't wxpect it if i moved abroad( And i would love to move to Spain and retire in years to come, but i would be more than willing to fit in with their culture, otherwise i wouldn't go in the first place)

It's not exactly integrating is it? but people some people seem happy that they feel good, by saying it should be allowed, and we need to let every other culture be accepted, even if it doesn't fit into ours.Very strange in my opinion.If i was told it wasn't in their culture to wear shorts and no top at certain placec in their country, i would accept that, not go the opposite.

Too many people want to pat themselves on the back thinking they are doing the right thing by been tolerant, but i think it has swung the other way, where we now go over the top to accomodate others while not upsetting others with ours.

France have some balls for a change.They also take the piss out of us, by moving immigrants through their country, straight to ours.I always thought they were daft, but they seem to have their head screwed on more than i thought.

How long before we have no culture of ourselves? If we are so great that we are tolerant, is it not best to show them the benifits of our culture if they want to integrate?

What is our culture?
 
What is our culture?

Exactly, are we trying to suggest UK culture is some sort of non-changing entity which has existed without any sort of outside intrusion for the whole of time?

Cultures are ever changing and adapting to modernity and sociological factors.
 
Sharia Law will never happen though. The burqa ban might.



Garb that's worn in the name of religion then.

All clothes people wear in the name of religion are the same - i.e. human trinkets based on tradition rather than religious teachings. See Bill Hicks routine on the crucifix / JFK.

now youre just talking shit
 
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