For the money we have spent

Very simplistic ”we’ve spent some money so should win” ???

We didn’t just spend “some money”....we spent more than the whole league combined!! Add in we have the most experience in the league with Oviedo, Cattermole, Gooch, McGeady, Honeyman and Leadbitter...if this was the mags, they would be getting rinsed by us!

Wigan seen us coming perhaps? I don't think it's Grigg's quality in question, it's his struggle to adjust - likely down to injury and pressure.
 

The Rat

Striker
Not sure why people think we have spent loads, we haven't

We sold Maja and replaced him Grigg

bought 3 players in the summer for fuck all, 2 of whom are pretty shite.
 
Not sure why people think we have spent loads, we haven't

We sold Maja and replaced him Grigg

bought 3 players in the summer for fuck all, 2 of whom are pretty shite.
We have, even if you exclude Grigg we have spent more than anyone else in the league on both fees and wages.
 

The Rat

Striker
We have, even if you exclude Grigg we have spent more than anyone else in the league on both fees and wages.
I dont' care about anyone else

we had two relegations in a row and had no team

We didnt spend much, in fact we needed to invest more in the summer.
 
I dont' care about anyone else

we had two relegations in a row and had no team

We didnt spend much, in fact we needed to invest more in the summer.
Well how would you judge a lot then? Whether it was enough or not is impossible to know.
You don’t need to spend money to build a team at this level.
 

The Rat

Striker
Well how would you judge a lot then? Whether it was enough or not is impossible to know.
You don’t need to spend money to build a team at this level.
Its just my view marra, I think we have lacked quality all year, hence so many draws. I just think we needed a bit more investment

We could have spent 200k and it be more than the whole league combined, sick of that line, not really interested on what other teams spend

We aren't trying to become a sustainable league one team.
 

Lucky1985

Midfield
Not sure where you're going with that like, given that any Luton players who weren't new signings were playing in league Two last season. :lol:
I’m suggesting that their signings were mostly squad players hence spending fuck all in them, whereas we bought an entire new first team.
 

Ashley In!!

Striker
I’m suggesting that their signings were mostly squad players hence spending fuck all in them, whereas we bought an entire new first team.
Whereas they cracked on with a bunch of League Two runners up and likely finished top. There's no angle on our spend that makes it acceptable if we don't go up, try as you might
 

riffraff

Striker
In Boxing parlance we could either punch our weight or above it or below it.
As we are the biggest club with the biggest ground and highest home gates and highest wage bill and biggest transfer spend then the fact that we aren’t pissing the league tells us that we are punching below our weight. That’s some achievement in this division.
 

PtangYang kiperbang

Central Defender
It's not a silly argument at all. It's completely sensible argument. In fact it's blatantly obvious.

Lets pretend we had a team of cars instead of players. If I have a team of 11 2018 top spec Aston Martins, and my mate has ten 2018 top spec Mercedes cars. At the end of the year,I can't afford all my cars, so I sell 9 Aston Martins, for £19.79M to relieve some of the debts I'd accrued and replace with 9 much cheaper 2015 Skoda's spending £3,870,00. My mate doesn't spend anything because he already has all his cars. Does this mean that MY squad squad of cars is better than his because I spent £3,870,000 and he spent nothing?

It's completely irrelevant.
What a terrible analogy :lol:

Your mate actually had a squad of shit Vauxhall’s. You sold some of your bentleys, but kept a few, and bought some Audi’s to back them up.

But you can’t drive your Bentleys and Audis like your mate drives his shit old Vauxhalls, and that’s where the problem is.
 
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Lucky1985

Midfield
Whereas they cracked on with a bunch of League Two runners up and likely finished top. There's no angle on our spend that makes it acceptable if we don't go up, try as you might
They had a team that played well together in league 1 and improved it with a couple of new first teamers. We cobbled together an entire new first team made up of a couple of good players and a handful of unwanted league 1 and Scottish Championship cast offs for free. If we don’t get promoted this season I have no doubt we will next year as we now have the nucleus of a first team and just need to add to it.
 
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Ashley In!!

Striker
In Boxing parlance we could either punch our weight or above it or below it.
As we are the biggest club with the biggest ground and highest home gates and highest wage bill and biggest transfer spend then the fact that we aren’t pissing the league tells us that we are punching below our weight. That’s some achievement in this division.
Was saying at work today, the worst thing is I'm still convinced this division is littered with awful teams who we've failed to beat.
 

Binxy

Midfield
And how many of their 28 were new signings?
11 for Luton
17 for Sunderland

They had a team that played well together in league 1 and improved it with a couple of new first teamers. We cobbled together an entire new first team made up of a couple of good players and a handful of unwanted league 1 and Scottish Championship cast offs for free. If we don’t get promoted this season I have no doubt we will next year as we now have the nucleus of a first team and just need to add to it.
That's funny because in your previous post you said "I'm suggesting that they signed mainly squad players".

So which is it first teamers or squad players?
 
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chr1s1973

Striker
Net spend is bollocks when the mags use it. And its bollocks when we use it.

In a nutshell the net spend thing is bollocks.
All things remaining equal,assuming the figures are actually correct (which they never will be) it would be a valid number to look at.

However,we went down two divisions,which means nothing about our situation is remaining equal or comparable to last season.

Like the other lad said, the fact we sold Borini,Khazri and whoever else doesn't represent a drop in the quality as they weren't performing as players of that calibre. So aye,it is indeed a completely meaningless point made by the OP.

They had a team that played well together in league 1 and improved it with a couple of new first teamers. We cobbled together an entire new first team made up of a couple of good players and a handful of unwanted league 1 and Scottish Championship cast offs for free. If we don’t get promoted this season I have no doubt we will next year as we now have the nucleus of a first team and just need to add to it.
That's nothing to do with "net spend" though is it. It's to do with team spirit and things outside of the financial,which is why we are where we are.
 
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Lucky1985

Midfield
11 for Luton
17 for Sunderland


That's funny because in your previous post you said "I'm suggesting that they signed mainly squad players".

So which is it first teamers or squad players?
Fact check time:
Luton signed 11 players this year, not 28.
Of the 11 they have signed only 6 have played more than 5 games ...55%:

Aaron Connelly - 1
Sonny Bradley - 42
Andrew Shinney - 38
Matty Pearson - 43
George Moncur - 32

Eunan O’Kane - 3
Jason Cummings - 26
George Thorne - 3
Jorge Grant - 13
Alex Baptiste - 1
Kazenga Lua Lua - 20

Their new players attribute for 222 appearances this season.


Sunderland have signed 17 new players this year, of the 17 we have signed all 17 have played more than 5 times. 100%:

Will Grigg - 15
Charlie Wyke - 22
Jack Baldwin - 34
Dylan McGeoch - 21
Jon McLaughlin - 43
Glen Loovens - 11
Alim Ozturk - 7
Tom Flanagan- 29
Grant Leadbitter - 14
Reece James - 27
Chris McGuire - 30
Jimmy Dunne - 12
Jerome Sinclair - 19
Kaziah Sterling - 6
Max Power - 32
Lewis Morgan - 15
Luke O’Nien - 34

Our new signings attribute to 371 appearances.


So tell me again how everyone else in the league have changed their entire squad and we are no different to the rest of the league :rolleyes:


Source: Sunderland AFC - Transfers 18/19
 
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LineTrash

Striker
Fact check time:
Luton signed 11 players this year, not 28.
Of the 11 they have signed only 6 have played more than 5 games ...55%:

Aaron Connelly - 1
Sonny Bradley - 42
Andrew Shinney - 38
Matty Pearson - 43
George Moncur - 32

Eunan O’Kane - 3
Jason Cummings - 26
George Thorne - 3
Jorge Grant - 13
Alex Baptiste - 1
Kazenga Lua Lua - 20

Their new players attribute for 222 appearances this season.


Sunderland have signed 17 new players this year, of the 17 we have signed all 17 have played more than 5 times. 100%:

Will Grigg - 15
Charlie Wyke - 22
Jack Baldwin - 34
Dylan McGeoch - 21
Jon McLaughlin - 43
Glen Loovens - 11
Alim Ozturk - 7
Tom Flanagan- 29
Grant Leadbitter - 14
Reece James - 27
Chris McGuire - 30
Jimmy Dunne - 12
Jerome Sinclair - 19
Kaziah Sterling - 6
Max Power - 32
Lewis Morgan - 15
Luke O’Nien - 34

Our new signings attribute to 371 appearances.


So tell me again how everyone else in the league have changed their entire squad and we are no different to the rest of the league :rolleyes:


Source: Sunderland AFC - Transfers 18/19
Is that the excuse we’re going with...?
 

Lucky1985

Midfield
Is that the excuse we’re going with...?
No that’s me pointing out that other guy was lying to suit his agenda. My op was just they people are constantly whinging that we spent a lot of money so we should win the league, and it’s not taking anything else into account which in my opinion is wrong.
People then keep coming at me and putting words in my mouth making alternative arguments, so being the argumentative sod I am I argue back. But I keep coming back to my original point; there’s more to it than how much we spent.
 

LineTrash

Striker
No that’s me pointing out that other guy was lying to suit his agenda. My op was just they people are constantly whinging that we spent a lot of money so we should win the league, and it’s not taking anything else into account which in my opinion is wrong.
People then keep coming at me and putting words in my mouth making alternative arguments, so being the argumentative sod I am I argue back. But I keep coming back to my original point; there’s more to it than how much we spent.
There’s is more to it...the manager plays shit football.
 

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