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For the money we have spent

Discussion in 'Pure Football' started by Lucky1985, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. Lucky1985

    Lucky1985 Midfield

    Lads, can we get a little perspective here? Since we drew yesterday I people have been complaining that we aren't good enough for the money we have spent on almost every thread. The thing is, you're only telling half the story. We spent nearly £4M because we sold nearly £20M, which is over £16M worth of 'talent' leaving the club more than the next closest team.

    I understand that you're disappointed, we all are. but please stop using the money we have spent as a stick to beat the club with.

    Team - Money Out - Money In - Net Spend

    Portsmouth £149,000 £0 £149,000
    Burton £0 £0 £0
    Shrewsbury £0 £0 £0
    Plymouth £0 £0 £0
    Southend £0 £0 £0
    Blackpool £0 £0 £0
    Fleetwood £0 £0 £0
    Doncaster £0 £0 £0
    Oxford £0 £0 £0
    Gillingham £0 £0 £0
    Wimbledon £0 £0 £0
    Walsall £0 £0 £0
    Luton £0 £0 £0
    wycombe £0 £0 £0
    Rochdale £0 £149,000 -£149,000
    Charlton £0 £430,000 -£430,000
    Bradford £0 £608,000 -£608,000
    Bristol £0 £756,000 -£756,000
    Barnsley £594,000 £1,670,000 -£1,076,000
    Coventry £0 £1,220,000 -£1,220,000
    Scunthorpe £0 £1,460,000 -£1,460,000
    Accrington £0 £1,620,000 -£1,620,000
    Peterborough £648,000 £3,330,000 -£2,682,000
    Sunderland £3,870,000 £19,790,000 -£15,920,000

    Source: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3
  2. jsdftm04

    jsdftm04 Striker

    So you're saying we spent more than the whole league combined in the summer on players?

    I agree
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  3. Lucky1985

    Lucky1985 Midfield

    I’m not biting.
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  4. jsdftm04

    jsdftm04 Striker

    Theres nothing to bite about, it's a fact.
  5. Binxy

    Binxy Central Defender

    Net spend Net spend Net spend Net spend Net spend Net spend.........

    Are you a mag?
    garyswc, kwillhen, spoony and 14 others like this.
  6. True
  7. hudson88

    hudson88 Striker

    I hate this net spend argument.

    It doesn’t matter how much we made from player sales, we have still bought players to the value of £4m.
  8. Lucky1985

    Lucky1985 Midfield

    No I’m not. That’s like saying “you like ham, you must be a ballet dancer”
  9. Hamwise

    Hamwise Midfield

    Well, we've payed 4 million for players at least.

    It's debatable if that's what their actual value is.
    SAFCftm1986, hudson88 and David M like this.
  10. Lucky1985

    Lucky1985 Midfield

    Portsmouth didn’t need to sell anybody, they improved their team by £149K, we worsened ours by £16M.
  11. jsdftm04

    jsdftm04 Striker

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  12. Mexico

    Mexico Midfield Contributor

    There’s no real way we can dress it up, for what we have spent, we are not performing.
  13. TIMMY

    TIMMY Midfield

    OP must be delighted Ross is overachieving and we're not involved in a relegation scrap.
    That point at Peterborough looks like an amazing result now
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  14. That’s some canny spin there like.
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  15. chriswallace85

    chriswallace85 Striker

    What a silly argument. We can't beat half the teams in League 1 because we used to have Fabio Borini and Didier Ndong? OK.
  16. Secret Visage

    Secret Visage Winger

    That's assuming O'Nien, Power and Maguire were free.
  17. blackcat1983

    blackcat1983 Goalkeeper

    The issue is a bit confusing for some people as it's not straight forward. You can't just look at the figures and expect it to tell a story.

    Basically, what lies behind those net spend figures is the fact that we've had to make a massive clear out to clear our wage bill, and therefore needed to bring in more players than almost all clubs in this league, that's why our spending is higher. Most other clubs retained almost all of their squad which has been built up slowly over a number of years, and therefore didn't need to acquire half a squad like us! However, if they had lost half their squad, they would also have had to reinvest some of the Salesian order to acquire.

    We were in a different position to every other team in this league in that we had players on premier league wages as we dropped into this division. That was-and still is- a challenge that no other club in this division has to face. We're still in a bad position with the likes of Cattermole and Oviedo on high salaries, but these are problems that were inherited from the previous regime. It's something that we have to make right as and when we can. These players are most likely taking up a massive percentage our our wage budget and the club has done a great job getting the number of players in that it has, on sustainable and sensible wages, whilst still handicapped by these high earners.

    To put things into perspective. We could retain all players at the end of this season, sell none. Have a net spend of £0. Yet it would be exactly the same squad as we have now. What would we moan about then? It's an irrelevant statistic unless it's discussed in context.
    TZMouk, riffraff, Kernowmac and 9 others like this.
  18. KittenMittens

    KittenMittens Central Defender

    The perspective we need is that we've spent 6x as much as anyone else in the division. The fact that only 4 teams had the luxury to spend money on transfer fees at all tells it's own story.

    Not only have we brought in higher priced players than anyone else, but we've also signed the best free agents for the division (theoretically) too. We have blown everyone out of the water in terms of transfer spend, and while I think there's always going to be teams that organically grow together after a couple of years in this division, we should be comfortably in an automatic promotion place at worst by now. 18 draws. EIGHTEEN. The only team with more in the top four divisions are Stoke with 20, languishing in 16th in the Championship.

    We are playing like Stoke, despite having the theoretical resources of a Man City/Man Utd for our division. The inability to finish teams off or hang on to a lead, or put pressure on other teams until we're absolutely desperate, is pretty poor.
    chevvies, riffraff, BRMC and 3 others like this.
  19. blackcat1983

    blackcat1983 Goalkeeper

    It's not a silly argument at all. It's completely sensible argument. In fact it's blatantly obvious.

    Lets pretend we had a team of cars instead of players. If I have a team of 11 2018 top spec Aston Martins, and my mate has ten 2018 top spec Mercedes cars. At the end of the year,I can't afford all my cars, so I sell 9 Aston Martins, for £19.79M to relieve some of the debts I'd accrued and replace with 9 much cheaper 2015 Skoda's spending £3,870,00. My mate doesn't spend anything because he already has all his cars. Does this mean that MY squad squad of cars is better than his because I spent £3,870,000 and he spent nothing?

    It's completely irrelevant.
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  20. chriswallace85

    chriswallace85 Striker

    Your mate only had a squad of Hyundais to begin with though.

    Us losing what little talent we had in the Championship (and there's quite a few £££'s worth that we didn't actually have than), doesn't make us any less talented those that were below us.
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019

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