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So is he married to a burly centre half or a nippy winger?
I guess he did talk to women. Just quoting Dean windass from a sports mans do this week
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So is he married to a burly centre half or a nippy winger?
I guess he did talk to women. Just quoting Dean windass from a sports mans do this week
Don't be so simplistic man, it sounds stupid.
There is a fortune riding on every big football game and cheating is usually successful, that's why the players do it. If it wasn't to their advantage to dive all over the place like fannies they wouldn't do it.
So is he married to a burly centre half or a nippy winger?
And there was nothing riding on Farah's race?
The diving thing is a vicious circle. It never used to be an advantage, but now everyone has started to do it it is. The rules haven't changed. It's cheating and I don't like anyone doing it, Sundlerand or otherwise. Some things are more important than winning at all costs, and your victory looks all the more impressive when it's achieved with integrity.
Why the smiley yellow man, what you are saying makes no sense.
Did she have anything to gain by falling over?
Mo Farah is a man, just so you know. And you could argue that had he calcualted that the pushing jepordised his chances he could have thrown a fit and caused a furore to try and get the race officials involved.
The lack of passion and effort and pride has never been more obvious when compared with truly outstanding athletes truly giving their all for their nations.
What a bunch of overpaid, overrated egotisitical fuckwits.
Don't be so simplistic man, it sounds stupid.
There is a fortune riding on every big football game and cheating is usually successful, that's why the players do it. If it wasn't to their advantage to dive all over the place like fannies they wouldn't do it.
I didn't know cheers, but you can't deny the fact that footballers are encouraged to dive for the good of their team and it usually works. And I'm sure you know that if Mo Farah had thrown himself to the floor and complained nothing would have happened.
The disease isn't with each individual footballer the disease lies within the game as a whole. If athletes thought that by cheating they could prosper then they would do it. Hold on a minute, they do don't they, it's called taking drugs. Not that I'm suggesting any of our team have done so, I'm sure they haven't, but they have in the past.
Your argument is a bit weak mate. People have already stated that the problem is the game itself, so it's not a point that needs to be made. The salient point though is that the players seem to embrace that and accept it in the way they carry themselves on off the pitch. No dignity, no integrity. The drugs thing is a good case in point. You say that if athletes could cheat to win, they would, and cite drugs. The majority of athletes do not. A small minority do, and they are villified and dispised amongst the athletic community, and the relevant organisation bodies punish them properly.
So frankly, you are wrong. Most athletes do have the chance to try and cheat to prosper, and they refuse it. But as you state, the majority of professional footballers do cheat, and see it as acceptable. There probably isn't a better example in fact to illustrate the difference between how sorid a professional sport football is. And if you look at cricket and Rugby you will see there too the same story as the athletics-the majority win through ability, show integrity and respect, don't make a habit of cheating, and get paid vastly inferior sums in spite of it.
Point out one single quote apart from the sex of the athlete that wasn't correct. You may not agree with me, but I am not wrong.
Athletes have and will cheat. Footballers have and will cheat.
If you want to paint a ridiculously white picture of athletes and a particularly dark picture of footballer then that is your prerogative. But I'm not buying it, that is my prerogative.
alicante mackem said:Point out one single quote apart from the sex of the athlete that wasn't correct. You may not agree with me, but I am not wrong.
Athletes have and will cheat. Footballers have and will cheat.
If you want to paint a ridiculously white picture of athletes and a particularly dark picture of footballer then that is your prerogative. But I'm not buying it, that is my prerogative.
A tiny minority of athletes cheat. You said that if they could cheat to win, they would.You're wrong. They can. But the overhwelming majority don't. This suggests it's rather more about the individuals who cheat than the fact that they are athletes.
The vast majority of PL footballers do dive etc though.
You can think what you like, of course. But without going into what I've actually written, into the specific points made, you argument looks rather weak. I've reacted to your points, you haven't reacted to mine. You've just said what you originally stated, again. The point is not that I'm saying that all athletes are honet, all footballer dishonest. But there seems to be a far greater no of footballers who act without integrity than is the case with athletes.
The point is that cheating is not accepted in athletics and is tacitly accepted in football.
And if you want a more direct comparison, footballers found to have taken drugs (Mutu) and refuse to be tested (Ferdinand) face bans of between nothing and a portion of a season. Athletes found to have taken drugs are stripped of their medals, and if there are mitigating circumstances are banned for several years. If there are no such circumstances, they are banned for life.
The only people to receive life bans in football are spectators. Racism will get you a life ban if you're a fan. 9 games if you're a player. Violence means a life ban for a fan. 3 games if you're a player.
Rather than uphold British sporting ideals, the Premier League instead looked to the NBA and NFL for a set of ethics.
It's nothing to do with being a Sunderland supporter-it's the recongnition that the modern game is fucked.
Even had Sunderland won the PL it would be true that PL players are grossly overpaid, that they don't train as hard and give their all for their cause, that the majority sound petulant and removed from normal life when away from the pitch, that they will use more or less any form of gamesmanship to win advantages, get players sent off etc, that they frequently don't give their all on the pitch, that a game which was once the working person's sport now costs a fortune for anyone to follow, and that the governing bodies involved are corrput and will not make a stand on anything if it threatens their similalry obscene power base, even if that thing is something like racism.
I've long known these things were endemic in the game, but you get swept up and ignore it, becasue you think that for all it's bad, it must just be a sports thing, that it's modern sports which is sick, and football is just part of that. The last week has shown up that this simply isn't the case, and that for all that money is involved it hasn't consumed everything good about it, unlike football.
Of course I've reacted to your points. I just don't agree with you, and what I said in the beginning still stands, that's why I may have repeated it. If our athlete had took a dive he wouldn't have won the Gold. If Rooney dives in the penalty area he might win a penalty that may well win an important game.
You bizarrely tried to state that because the Mo feller had stayed on his feet it showed he had more integrity than a footballer.
I've tried to explain to you, it showed nothing of the sort, he had nothing to gain by doing it, so he didn't do it.
Maybe there are more footballers who are dishonest, I've never said there aren't. However, I did explain they are just a pawn in the game. It's not even being dishonest or cheating in many countries. Unfortunately it's called being smart.
You tried to make out that there is a fundamental difference between the athlete and the footballer. I don't agree, they are all human beings and they will all do what they can to win. The only difference being the majority of Olympic sports don't reward cheating/gamesmanship, football does.
Not a direct comparison at all. They took recreational drugs not performance enhancing drugs.
I agree the game is fucked.
Atheltes do want to win, and they go about this through relentless training and consistently giving their all on the occasion whilst still being aware of their public and support and acknowledging it in a genuine manner. They get no reward for failure and a paltry sum for sucsess when compared with the wages of the average professional footballer.
Footballers train nowhere near as hard, frequently don't give their all, try to take shortcuts to winning through cheating instead of through true ability and they usually act as though their public and support are an irrelevance to them. They get the same amount of financial reward whether they achieve or not.
You still suggesting that they're essentially the same?
As someone has already said, people have been getting pissed off with football for a few years now. But seeing the efforts of the athletes has been an eye opener for us.
We knew the footballers were arrogant, petulant wankers, but it's clear for everyone to see now, not just football fans.
Going out to South Korea just about sums it up, they've under performed for years and Gareth Bale couldn't even be arsed to turn up.
I've watched the athletes be so choked up, they couldn't even sing the national anthem, most footballers don't even know the words or think they're above singing it.
I don't expect our athletes or footballers to be model citizens, but the behaviour of some players has been sickening over the last few years.
Some of the SAFC players were shite last season and didn't look interested, it was disgusting to watch, I may as well have set fire to the money I wasted on them.
There were times when they clearly weren't arsed, if we'd been relegated, they'd have simply moved to another club.
Their lack of interest towards the end of the season disgusted me and at the minute, I'm not arsed if I don't go back.
Cue lots of abuse about not being a proper fan.
I can see a lot of people turning their back on football for good as a result of the Olympics.
As a sport it has lost its way badly.
But the game hasnt become fucked overnight. It isnt any different to how it was 5 years ago, but the overwhelming majority of Sunderland fans were buzzing with promotion under Keane - the cynical side was still there but we blocked it out and enjoyed our relative success. I imagine a lot of clubs then felt the way we do now, just like Southampton and others will have that same naivity that we did.
I'm not trying to defend the defendable here, but I think footballers get a bit of harsh stick sometimes. You're comparing all footballers to the absolute best of the best across a number of sports - of course wankers like Barton will come across unfavourably but you can only really compare Ennis and Farah to the likes of Messi and Iniesta - the worlds best players who come across as likeable, dignified, passionate and are where they are through a mixture of natural talent and hard work. If you're going to compare ALL footballers then what about the badmington players who got themselves disqualified for not trying, or the Japanese gymnast appealing after finishing 4th?
Actors and musicians dont come in for the same criticisms but probably a higher percentage are detached from reality, have massive egos, are far richer with far less talent, live a life of luxury without anywhere near the schedule of athletes, soldiers, nurses and whoever else footballers are compared to.
No your're right they were obviously born on a different planet.
Just out of interest when were you last in a training session, with a top football team or with an Olympian?
If you don't go back you won't be, simple really.