Footballers are pricks


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Don't be so simplistic man, it sounds stupid.
There is a fortune riding on every big football game and cheating is usually successful, that's why the players do it. If it wasn't to their advantage to dive all over the place like fannies they wouldn't do it.



So is he married to a burly centre half or a nippy winger?

And there was nothing riding on Farah's race? :lol:

The diving thing is a vicious circle. It never used to be an advantage, but now everyone has started to do it it is. The rules haven't changed. It's cheating and I don't like anyone doing it, Sundlerand or otherwise. Some things are more important than winning at all costs, and your victory looks all the more impressive when it's achieved with integrity.
 
And there was nothing riding on Farah's race? :lol:

The diving thing is a vicious circle. It never used to be an advantage, but now everyone has started to do it it is. The rules haven't changed. It's cheating and I don't like anyone doing it, Sundlerand or otherwise. Some things are more important than winning at all costs, and your victory looks all the more impressive when it's achieved with integrity.

Why the smiley yellow man, what you are saying makes no sense.
Did she have anything to gain by falling over?

I don't like diving either but until something is done to wipe it out of football, it will continue to happen on a very regular basis.
 
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Why the smiley yellow man, what you are saying makes no sense.
Did she have anything to gain by falling over?

Mo Farah is a man, just so you know. And you could argue that had he calcualted that the pushing jepordised his chances he could have thrown a fit and caused a furore to try and get the race officials involved.
 
Mo Farah is a man, just so you know. And you could argue that had he calcualted that the pushing jepordised his chances he could have thrown a fit and caused a furore to try and get the race officials involved.

I didn't know cheers, but you can't deny the fact that footballers are encouraged to dive for the good of their team and it usually works. And I'm sure you know that if Mo Farah had thrown himself to the floor and complained nothing would have happened.
The disease isn't with each individual footballer the disease lies within the game as a whole. If athletes thought that by cheating they could prosper then they would do it. Hold on a minute, they do don't they, it's called taking drugs. Not that I'm suggesting any of our team have done so, I'm sure they haven't, but they have in the past.
 
The lack of passion and effort and pride has never been more obvious when compared with truly outstanding athletes truly giving their all for their nations.

What a bunch of overpaid, overrated egotisitical fuckwits.

Couldn't agree anymore, spot on.

After watching the Olympics (something which ill admit I dont often do) you cant help being in awe of the tremendous amount of preparation, training and effort that goes into competing in specific events.

For instance, Ryan Lochte (USA Swimmer), swims for at least 4 hours a day (or until he is physically sick due to over training). On top of that he does weight sessions, runs and other intense cardio workouts. Compare this to the lads over at the sunderland training ground who seem to be on their way home before 12pm on a usual 'workday', then they cover their twitter pages saying they are hitting up Nandos (Meyler :p ).

Social media is great, especially twitter. Gives you a real insight into an athletes life, but when it comes to footballers, its as if they give up trying and training 'really' hard once they make it. As after all, you only need one 30k a week 3 year deal and you're set for life.

Money is another thing that bugs me, below average PL players eclipse (by a country mile) the earnings of Olympic gold medallists, but thats a story for another day.

/rant
 
Don't be so simplistic man, it sounds stupid.
There is a fortune riding on every big football game and cheating is usually successful, that's why the players do it. If it wasn't to their advantage to dive all over the place like fannies they wouldn't do it.

:eek: the powers in the game should at least try to prevent it. Too simple?
 
I didn't know cheers, but you can't deny the fact that footballers are encouraged to dive for the good of their team and it usually works. And I'm sure you know that if Mo Farah had thrown himself to the floor and complained nothing would have happened.
The disease isn't with each individual footballer the disease lies within the game as a whole. If athletes thought that by cheating they could prosper then they would do it. Hold on a minute, they do don't they, it's called taking drugs. Not that I'm suggesting any of our team have done so, I'm sure they haven't, but they have in the past.

Your argument is a bit weak mate. People have already stated that the problem is the game itself, so it's not a point that needs to be made. The salient point though is that the players seem to embrace that and accept it in the way they carry themselves on off the pitch. No dignity, no integrity. The drugs thing is a good case in point. You say that if athletes could cheat to win, they would, and cite drugs. The majority of athletes do not. A small minority do, and they are villified and dispised amongst the athletic community, and the relevant organisation bodies punish them properly. Now I know you'll say "Ah, but drugs are against the rules so they don't do it becuase they know they will get done if found taking them". But diving is also against the rules. The fact is though it has become so common place it is now accepted and even recognised as being part of the game. Can you honestly imagine atheltics ever taking a similar attitude to drugs?

So frankly, you are wrong. Most athletes do have the chance to try and cheat to prosper, and they refuse it. But as you state, the majority of professional footballers do cheat, and see it as acceptable. There probably isn't a better example in fact to illustrate the difference between how sorid a professional sport football is. And if you look at cricket and Rugby you will see there too the same story as the athletics-the majority win through ability, show integrity and respect, don't make a habit of cheating, and get paid vastly inferior sums in spite of it.
 
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Your argument is a bit weak mate. People have already stated that the problem is the game itself, so it's not a point that needs to be made. The salient point though is that the players seem to embrace that and accept it in the way they carry themselves on off the pitch. No dignity, no integrity. The drugs thing is a good case in point. You say that if athletes could cheat to win, they would, and cite drugs. The majority of athletes do not. A small minority do, and they are villified and dispised amongst the athletic community, and the relevant organisation bodies punish them properly.

So frankly, you are wrong. Most athletes do have the chance to try and cheat to prosper, and they refuse it. But as you state, the majority of professional footballers do cheat, and see it as acceptable. There probably isn't a better example in fact to illustrate the difference between how sorid a professional sport football is. And if you look at cricket and Rugby you will see there too the same story as the athletics-the majority win through ability, show integrity and respect, don't make a habit of cheating, and get paid vastly inferior sums in spite of it.

Point out one single quote apart from the sex of the athlete that wasn't correct. You may not agree with me, but I am not wrong.
Athletes have and will cheat. Footballers have and will cheat.
If you want to paint a ridiculously white picture of athletes and a particularly dark picture of footballer then that is your prerogative. But I'm not buying it, that is my prerogative.
 
Point out one single quote apart from the sex of the athlete that wasn't correct. You may not agree with me, but I am not wrong.
Athletes have and will cheat. Footballers have and will cheat.
If you want to paint a ridiculously white picture of athletes and a particularly dark picture of footballer then that is your prerogative. But I'm not buying it, that is my prerogative.

A tiny minority of athletes cheat. You said that if they could cheat to win, they would.You're wrong. They can. But the overhwelming majority don't. This suggests it's rather more about the individuals who cheat than the fact that they are athletes.

The vast majority of PL footballers do dive etc though.

You can think what you like, of course. But without going into what I've actually written, into the specific points made, you argument looks rather weak. I've reacted to your points, you haven't reacted to mine. You've just said what you originally stated, again. The point is not that I'm saying that all athletes are honet, all footballer dishonest. But there seems to be a far greater no of footballers who act without integrity than is the case with athletes.
 
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Point out one single quote apart from the sex of the athlete that wasn't correct. You may not agree with me, but I am not wrong.
Athletes have and will cheat. Footballers have and will cheat.
If you want to paint a ridiculously white picture of athletes and a particularly dark picture of footballer then that is your prerogative. But I'm not buying it, that is my prerogative.

The point is that cheating is not accepted in athletics and is tacitly accepted in football.

And if you want a more direct comparison, footballers found to have taken drugs (Mutu) and refuse to be tested (Ferdinand) face bans of between nothing and a portion of a season. Athletes found to have taken drugs are stripped of their medals, and if there are mitigating circumstances are banned for several years. If there are no such circumstances, they are banned for life.

The only people to receive life bans in football are spectators. Racism will get you a life ban if you're a fan. 9 games if you're a player. Violence means a life ban for a fan. 3 games if you're a player.

The game is fucked. Rather than uphold British sporting ideals, the Premier League instead looked to the NBA and NFL for a set of ethics.
 
A tiny minority of athletes cheat. You said that if they could cheat to win, they would.You're wrong. They can. But the overhwelming majority don't. This suggests it's rather more about the individuals who cheat than the fact that they are athletes.

The vast majority of PL footballers do dive etc though.

You can think what you like, of course. But without going into what I've actually written, into the specific points made, you argument looks rather weak. I've reacted to your points, you haven't reacted to mine. You've just said what you originally stated, again. The point is not that I'm saying that all athletes are honet, all footballer dishonest. But there seems to be a far greater no of footballers who act without integrity than is the case with athletes.

Of course I've reacted to your points. I just don't agree with you, and what I said in the beginning still stands, that's why I may have repeated it. If our athlete had took a dive he wouldn't have won the Gold. If Rooney dives in the penalty area he might win a penalty that may well win an important game.
You bizarrely tried to state that because the Mo feller had stayed on his feet it showed he had more integrity than a footballer.
I've tried to explain to you, it showed nothing of the sort, he had nothing to gain by doing it, so he didn't do it.
Maybe there are more footballers who are dishonest, I've never said there aren't. However, I did explain they are just a pawn in the game. It's not even being dishonest or cheating in many countries. Unfortunately it's called being smart.
You tried to make out that there is a fundamental difference between the athlete and the footballer. I don't agree, they are all human beings and they will all do what they can to win. The only difference being the majority of Olympic sports don't reward cheating/gamesmanship, football does.

The point is that cheating is not accepted in athletics and is tacitly accepted in football.

And if you want a more direct comparison, footballers found to have taken drugs (Mutu) and refuse to be tested (Ferdinand) face bans of between nothing and a portion of a season. Athletes found to have taken drugs are stripped of their medals, and if there are mitigating circumstances are banned for several years. If there are no such circumstances, they are banned for life.

The only people to receive life bans in football are spectators. Racism will get you a life ban if you're a fan. 9 games if you're a player. Violence means a life ban for a fan. 3 games if you're a player.

Rather than uphold British sporting ideals, the Premier League instead looked to the NBA and NFL for a set of ethics.

Not a direct comparison at all. They took recreational drugs not performance enhancing drugs.

I agree the game is fucked.
 
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It's nothing to do with being a Sunderland supporter-it's the recongnition that the modern game is fucked.

Even had Sunderland won the PL it would be true that PL players are grossly overpaid, that they don't train as hard and give their all for their cause, that the majority sound petulant and removed from normal life when away from the pitch, that they will use more or less any form of gamesmanship to win advantages, get players sent off etc, that they frequently don't give their all on the pitch, that a game which was once the working person's sport now costs a fortune for anyone to follow, and that the governing bodies involved are corrput and will not make a stand on anything if it threatens their similalry obscene power base, even if that thing is something like racism.

I've long known these things were endemic in the game, but you get swept up and ignore it, becasue you think that for all it's bad, it must just be a sports thing, that it's modern sports which is sick, and football is just part of that. The last week has shown up that this simply isn't the case, and that for all that money is involved it hasn't consumed everything good about it, unlike football.

But the game hasnt become fucked overnight. It isnt any different to how it was 5 years ago, but the overwhelming majority of Sunderland fans were buzzing with promotion under Keane - the cynical side was still there but we blocked it out and enjoyed our relative success. I imagine a lot of clubs then felt the way we do now, just like Southampton and others will have that same naivity that we did.

I'm not trying to defend the defendable here, but I think footballers get a bit of harsh stick sometimes. You're comparing all footballers to the absolute best of the best across a number of sports - of course wankers like Barton will come across unfavourably but you can only really compare Ennis and Farah to the likes of Messi and Iniesta - the worlds best players who come across as likeable, dignified, passionate and are where they are through a mixture of natural talent and hard work. If you're going to compare ALL footballers then what about the badmington players who got themselves disqualified for not trying, or the Japanese gymnast appealing after finishing 4th?

Actors and musicians dont come in for the same criticisms but probably a higher percentage are detached from reality, have massive egos, are far richer with far less talent, live a life of luxury without anywhere near the schedule of athletes, soldiers, nurses and whoever else footballers are compared to.
 
Of course I've reacted to your points. I just don't agree with you, and what I said in the beginning still stands, that's why I may have repeated it. If our athlete had took a dive he wouldn't have won the Gold. If Rooney dives in the penalty area he might win a penalty that may well win an important game.
You bizarrely tried to state that because the Mo feller had stayed on his feet it showed he had more integrity than a footballer.
I've tried to explain to you, it showed nothing of the sort, he had nothing to gain by doing it, so he didn't do it.
Maybe there are more footballers who are dishonest, I've never said there aren't. However, I did explain they are just a pawn in the game. It's not even being dishonest or cheating in many countries. Unfortunately it's called being smart.
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e out that there is a fundamental difference between the athlete and the footballer. I don't agree, they are all human beings and they will all do what they can to win. The only difference being the majority of Olympic sports don't reward cheating/gamesmanship, football does.



Not a direct comparison at all. They took recreational drugs not performance enhancing drugs.

I agree the game is fucked.

Atheltes do want to win, and they go about this through relentless training and consistently giving their all on the occasion whilst still being aware of their public and support and acknowledging it in a genuine manner. They get no reward for failure and a paltry sum for sucsess when compared with the wages of the average professional footballer.

Footballers train nowhere near as hard, frequently don't give their all, try to take shortcuts to winning through cheating instead of through true ability and they usually act as though their public and support are an irrelevance to them. They get the same amount of financial reward whether they achieve or not.

You still suggesting that they're essentially the same?
 
As someone has already said, people have been getting pissed off with football for a few years now. But seeing the efforts of the athletes has been an eye opener for us.

We knew the footballers were arrogant, petulant wankers, but it's clear for everyone to see now, not just football fans.

Going out to South Korea just about sums it up, they've under performed for years and Gareth Bale couldn't even be arsed to turn up.

I've watched the athletes be so choked up, they couldn't even sing the national anthem, most footballers don't even know the words or think they're above singing it.

I don't expect our athletes or footballers to be model citizens, but the behaviour of some players has been sickening over the last few years.

Some of the SAFC players were shite last season and didn't look interested, it was disgusting to watch, I may as well have set fire to the money I wasted on them.

There were times when they clearly weren't arsed, if we'd been relegated, they'd have simply moved to another club.

Their lack of interest towards the end of the season disgusted me and at the minute, I'm not arsed if I don't go back.

Cue lots of abuse about not being a proper fan.
 
Atheltes do want to win, and they go about this through relentless training and consistently giving their all on the occasion whilst still being aware of their public and support and acknowledging it in a genuine manner. They get no reward for failure and a paltry sum for sucsess when compared with the wages of the average professional footballer.

Footballers train nowhere near as hard, frequently don't give their all, try to take shortcuts to winning through cheating instead of through true ability and they usually act as though their public and support are an irrelevance to them. They get the same amount of financial reward whether they achieve or not.

You still suggesting that they're essentially the same?

No your're right they were obviously born on a different planet.

Just out of interest when were you last in a training session, with a top football team or with an Olympian?

As someone has already said, people have been getting pissed off with football for a few years now. But seeing the efforts of the athletes has been an eye opener for us.

We knew the footballers were arrogant, petulant wankers, but it's clear for everyone to see now, not just football fans.

Going out to South Korea just about sums it up, they've under performed for years and Gareth Bale couldn't even be arsed to turn up.

I've watched the athletes be so choked up, they couldn't even sing the national anthem, most footballers don't even know the words or think they're above singing it.

I don't expect our athletes or footballers to be model citizens, but the behaviour of some players has been sickening over the last few years.

Some of the SAFC players were shite last season and didn't look interested, it was disgusting to watch, I may as well have set fire to the money I wasted on them.

There were times when they clearly weren't arsed, if we'd been relegated, they'd have simply moved to another club.

Their lack of interest towards the end of the season disgusted me and at the minute, I'm not arsed if I don't go back.

Cue lots of abuse about not being a proper fan
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If you don't go back you won't be, simple really.
 
For all the talk of footballer's wages:

a) Nobody in their right mind would turn down such money if it was offered to them.

b) There is a shitload of money swilling round football, who would people prefer to see the money go to? Chairmen? Directors? The footballers on the pitch create "the product" at the end of the day, they deserve their cut of the money they create.

I've always thought there was a slightly classist edge to these kind of comments too. You never hear people bemoaning the money made in F1/tennis/golf (more middle class sports). Most footballers are working class and many are a bit thick - people don't seem to like those sorts making big money, even though the dedication and talent required to get to the top level is immense. And most of them are actually decent lads, just the media likes to focus on the bad and gives the rest a bad name.
 
But the game hasnt become fucked overnight. It isnt any different to how it was 5 years ago, but the overwhelming majority of Sunderland fans were buzzing with promotion under Keane - the cynical side was still there but we blocked it out and enjoyed our relative success. I imagine a lot of clubs then felt the way we do now, just like Southampton and others will have that same naivity that we did.

I'm not trying to defend the defendable here, but I think footballers get a bit of harsh stick sometimes. You're comparing all footballers to the absolute best of the best across a number of sports - of course wankers like Barton will come across unfavourably but you can only really compare Ennis and Farah to the likes of Messi and Iniesta - the worlds best players who come across as likeable, dignified, passionate and are where they are through a mixture of natural talent and hard work. If you're going to compare ALL footballers then what about the badmington players who got themselves disqualified for not trying, or the Japanese gymnast appealing after finishing 4th?

Actors and musicians dont come in for the same criticisms but probably a higher percentage are detached from reality, have massive egos, are far richer with far less talent, live a life of luxury without anywhere near the schedule of athletes, soldiers, nurses and whoever else footballers are compared to.

The first parahrgaph is irrelevant-I never stated, and in fact fully acknowledged that this isn't a new thing, just that all of the many ills of modern football have been shown up in real clarity this last week,

The comparison with Ennis and Farah is entirley relevant. They are being compared with Barton et al becuase they earn less than them. It's football which has set this standard, football which insists on valuing people on a soley financial plain, so it should deal with the fact that it values Barton or Cattermole or Higginbotham higher than Athlethes who are best in the world. That's the whole point. Football has made it acceptable to suggest that these players are worth substanitally *more* than athletes who are the best in the world at something.

The Badminton thing is a good point too-players cheated, and were disqualified. The organisational body is fair. When was the last time a football body acted with similar integrity? Pendleton and Varnish were also disqualfied as well. There was a marked absence of petulance and reaction to it though. And the Japanese thing- I don't know the various intracicies of the process but the fact is it was accepted, we moved on and there was no dwelling on the egos of overpaid pre-madonnas. The sport in the end was left untarnished.

As for the last point, footballers don't come in for a tough time at all. The vapid nature of the modern footballer isn't made any better just because other people also profit in a gross manner.

No your're right they were obviously born on a different planet.

Just out of interest when were you last in a training session, with a top football team or with an Olympian?



If you don't go back you won't be, simple really.

Once again, not interacting with the points I made.

I've not been to either but I've read substanitally on the subject. Will that do, or do you have to witness everything in person for it to be a fact?
 
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