Football isnt diverse enough according to stormzy


It doesn’t seem to be so much about players, as about the other roles in clubs.

43% of players being black or mixed race, and only 6% of senior roles being so says something isn’t right somewhere to me. It would be interesting to see how this compares with the number of applications for those roles.
If you use managers as an example, these tend to be ex players, who are now retired. So say 15 years ago what was the percentage of black players? I think this percentage will start to correct itself soon.
 
It doesn’t seem to be so much about players, as about the other roles in clubs.

43% of players being black or mixed race, and only 6% of senior roles being so says something isn’t right somewhere to me. It would be interesting to see how this compares with the number of applications for those roles.
The current thinking is:

Non-white over representation = good
White over representation = bad

If black players are over represented then is that because they are skilled at their profession?

If white managers, coaches and administrators are over represented then is that because they are skilled at their profession?
 
6% is closer to the national average in the general population in the UK. 43% is a massively skewed figure, I don't see anyone complaining about that and rightly so

The national average isn't really important or relevant in football, because senior coaching and management positions are filled exclusively by ex-players or people who have been involved in professional football since they were kids. When you look at the statistics, there's clearly a lack of progression there for black people.

Personally I can't see any issue with it - anything that would boost the competence and quality of non-playing staff should be welcomed. When I think about Sunderland, over the past 25 years, we've probably had twenty managers, 7 or 8 CEOs, 5 DoFs, more senior coaches than you could count - 99% have been white men, and the vast, vast majority of those have absolutely shite.

If schemes like this mean we employ better people at our club and raise standards across the board, I'm absolutely all for it.
 
The national average isn't really important or relevant in football, because senior coaching and management positions are filled exclusively by ex-players or people who have been involved in professional football since they were kids. When you look at the statistics, there's clearly a lack of progression there for black people.

Personally I can't see any issue with it - anything that would boost the competence and quality of non-playing staff should be welcomed. When I think about Sunderland, over the past 25 years, we've probably had twenty managers, 7 or 8 CEOs, 5 DoFs, more senior coaches than you could count - 99% have been white men, and the vast, vast majority of those have absolutely shite.

If schemes like this mean we employ better people at our club and raise standards across the board, I'm absolutely all for it.
100% of recent black chancellors of the exchequer have been absolutely shite.
 
The current thinking is:

Non-white over representation = good
White over representation = bad

If black players are over represented then is that because they are skilled at their profession?

If white managers, coaches and administrators are over represented then is that because they are skilled at their profession?
You see... Whilst the likes of Steve Bruce continues to get job after job, in spite of failure after failure and nobody will give Sol (I know, I know) a sniff, there'll always be a viable argument.
 
You see... Whilst the likes of Steve Bruce continues to get job after job, in spite of failure after failure and nobody will give Sol (I know, I know) a sniff, there'll always be a viable argument.
I'm a big Sol Campbell fan but even I can see that he's tapped differently - I think that's why he's not getting a look in
 
Surely, you have to pick the best person for the role? Look at how many managers have been sacked the first half of this season. It's a results driven business and it doesn't give a toss what colour you are or the background you're from.

You get the likes of Sol Campbell who uses this platform to mask over how poor he actually is. He's probably doing more damage to the likes of Moore, who is a really good coach and a decent fella to boot, but clubs will be wary of being given a racist label if they every have to sack a head coach of colour.
 
To me, Football and sport in general seems like the one sector where you are going to be picked purely on ability to carry out the job, rather than to represent diversity (not the dancers)

Then what have we been doing the last few years? :lol:

(I’m not saying we’ve hired for diversity, but we certainly haven’t hired on merit by any normal standard :lol:)
 
It doesn’t seem to be so much about players, as about the other roles in clubs.

43% of players being black or mixed race, and only 6% of senior roles being so says something isn’t right somewhere to me. It would be interesting to see how this compares with the number of applications for those roles.

If you look at the EPL in isolation, the majority of the club owners are BAME.

The players of today are the coaches/managers of tomorrow. The English football league was not as diverse as it is now. Therefore I would expect the percentage to shift in the future as it is the players of the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s that are the coaches/managers now.

Finally, many of the BAME players in the EPL today are not from England, a huge chunk of that 43% will likely look at returning home when they retire. As we have the best league in the world we therefore attract the best talent but that doesn’t mean everyone will stay after finishing their career.

I’ll take it in face value that your stats are right, 6% is actually about 3 x higher than the percentage of black people who live in the UK.
 

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