Financial situation at the club


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He has made his money in financials and will be very aware that any investment can go up or down. I don't think these rich men go into football to make money, rather the kudos that go with owning a football team. Those kudos are far greater for a Premier League team than a Championship side and Premier wannabe.
I think they do but its very easy to just dismiss £150 million when its not yours.............as far as Kudos goes with Ellis though its not convincing when youre as reclusive as he is...........
 
I can still remember the night on this messageboard when we signed Johnson, everybody was absolutely ecstatic that we'd managed to pull of a signing like him, lets not start to rewrite history here, not a single person was saying it was "terrible business".
I was very pleased we signed Johnson, but we all knew he was inconsistent.

I'm not rewriting history, just posting a piece of business which has hampered the club and turned into poor business.
 
He's backed all his managers to varying degrees. People on here are actually calling him an asset stripper for goodness sake. If Gus' targets can be secured without spending crazy money then I've no doubt he'll make that commitment as doing nothing almost guarantees relegation.
It looks to me as though Short has, in true SAFC style, bottled it. He's lost his nerve through some inept decisions of his own making.

It'll be interesting too see what happens if and when we go down. I'm assuming that the division is utter shite and the teams that will likely go down with us are crap as well. If we get shot of everyone and start again what sort of side will we buy/loan/put out? If Short isnt prepared to spend then we could end up with a team full of younguns supplemented by more shite bought on the hoof because we have no one and panic buy.

The managers we have had have been by and large f***ing terrible mind. Their scouting and then coaching has been piss poor. You look at the likes of Everton who havent got a pot to piss in and look at the side they have turned out and also the managers that they have had. By and large knowledgeable and clued up.
 
I can still remember the night on this messageboard when we signed Johnson, everybody was absolutely ecstatic that we'd managed to pull of a signing like him, lets not start to rewrite history here, not a single person was saying it was "terrible business".

I actually agree with you for a change. Fletcher and AJ were 2 signings that most were happy with and to pay a premium. However, ALF and Graham for nearly 10m is awful, truly awful.
 
Thats a good point. The fact is though they stil have players who can command large fee's like Cabaye etc. We sold all of ours and still are in the shite.

Thats where we have gone badly wrong....the idea was to build up the squad and add a couple of quality players each season....this was said by Quinn in 2010.
Mon wanted to revamp the squad in 2012 but Short wanted to continue with the quality approach....Fletcher and Johnson.
Maybe in 2013 Short had seen enough after backing his managers with reasonable amounts to spend...we've got very little to sell now and a owner who is reluctant to push the boat out....who can blame him.
 
I was very pleased we signed Johnson, but we all knew he was inconsistent.

I'm not rewriting history, just posting a piece of business which has hampered the club and turned into poor business.

if we'd signed michu, he'd have been f***ing dogshit. thats us in a nutshell
 
Thats where we have gone badly wrong....the idea was to build up the squad and add a couple of quality players each season....this was said by Quinn in 2010.
Mon wanted to revamp the squad in 2012 but Short wanted to continue with the quality approach....Fletcher and Johnson.
Maybe in 2013 Short had seen enough after backing his managers with reasonable amounts to spend...we've got very little to sell now and a owner who is reluctant to push the boat out....who can blame him.

Agree mate. Its going to be a massive transition for SAFC and our team. It not looking good IMO.
 
What is the clubs situation like in regards to ffp? If anyone could give some insight into that it would be appreciated.

Could Short spend money in January (if he wanted to) within the laws of ffp or whatever without having to sell first?
 
I actually agree with you for a change. Fletcher and AJ were 2 signings that most were happy with and to pay a premium. However, ALF and Graham for nearly 10m is awful, truly awful.
Signing fletcher and Johnson has proved that we've tried pretty much every approach and are still utter shit
 
If any of us were ellis short, you've got think and look at how the hell are cardiff, hull, Swansea, stoke, west ham, crystal palace, Fulham are above us. It's little wonder he's had a twitchy trigger finger, and closed his wallet.
 
Signing fletcher and Johnson has proved that we've tried pretty much every approach and are still utter shit

HA. Well, if we signed a CM of quality that year we might not be where we are now. It is fine margins mate but the CM has to have quality within it. We got destroyed through that area of the park an awful lot.

There will be no more 30m warchests given to mangers of Sunderland now like. We have spunked to much on shite. Roy Keane started the overspending spree.
 
Agree mate. Its going to be a massive transition for SAFC and our team. It not looking good IMO.

If we're down I'll accept it...its a mess and no better than the end of Murrays time where we had relegation and £50m debts.
Start again with players on 5-10 grand a week....the likes of Swansea have shown a way forward.
 
If we're down I'll accept it...its a mess and no better than the end of Murrays time where we had relegation and £50m debts.
Start again with players on 5-10 grand a week....the likes of Swansea have shown a way forward.

Aye. Be interesting to see how much backing GUS gets this window. I can not help feeling it will be players out before players come in.
 
If any of us were ellis short, you've got think and look at how the hell are cardiff, hull, Swansea, stoke, west ham, crystal palace, Fulham are above us. It's little wonder he's had a twitchy trigger finger, and closed his wallet.

It's easy to say that in the short term but will they still be in the division after 7 seasons?
 
Aye. Be interesting to see how much backing GUS gets this window. I can not help feeling it will be players out before players come in.

I cant see him objecting much....he begged for a chance at the big time....this will have been stated when he joined.
 
Aye. Be interesting to see how much backing GUS gets this window. I can not help feeling it will be players out before players come in.
Lets hope there's a few out then. Our wage bill is like a big weight around our neck. It's stifling the club. Ceullar Gardner Vaughan cabral for starters.
 
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