Financial situation at the club


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Since gaining promotion back to the Premier League, the club has been run very poorly. Iirc for every £2 the club brings in, it spends £3
As a business model a modern football club is a disaster,the money needed to buy and keep players far outweighs income with no guarantee of a return in terms of success.Every transaction has a financial penalty to it.The club's customers(us) want to pay as little as possible for the product but want the best.It just doesnt add up apart from the Elite dozen or so clubs in the world
 
You couldn't deny mignolet a chance to join Liverpool, could you? I think with sess, he fell foul of di canio. Maybe ellis didn't trust di canio with money, but felt obliged to give him a go, after we avoided relegation. I think he even said similar in his programme notes after he sacked him.
But if there was any mort available it could have went towards the sales but it never.

I'm not expecting us to spend more than £5m this month either,[DOUBLEPOST=1388752675][/DOUBLEPOST]
ES Short is a billionaire. Just think about it. The best % rate we can get is around 3%. 3% of a billion is 30million. Fair enough it's not all cash but I would have no doubt that someone in the business he has been in will be raking in a hell of a lot better rate than 3%. It's his decision how much he spends on the club but don't fear. We ain't about to explode financially.
Financially exploding isn't my worry, it wouldn't be beneficial for short to do that.

My issue is mainly us competing on a premie league level, financially. We don't seem able to.
 
We can't really moan about the £4m thing though, it was proposed and pushed to the PL by Short himself.[DOUBLEPOST=1388752476][/DOUBLEPOST]
Season ticket holders will be through the floor.
So surely the future belongs to clubs who sign young, hungry, talented players with something to prove and good resale value? That was part of last summer's operation and is still for the long term good of the club. Relegated or not, I expect a higher profile next year for Ba, Mavrias, Karlsson, Watmore etc
 
We can't really moan about the £4m thing though, it was proposed and pushed to the PL by Short himself.[DOUBLEPOST=1388752476][/DOUBLEPOST]
Season ticket holders will be through the floor.


Too right they will be and deservedly so as well, however we have shown that we can pull crowds in at the first sniff of doing well in the championship. Id guess on an average of 34k ish next season, it will start of low in the 23-25 but if we are doing well we will start to pull back in enough to get around 34k average.
 
We can't really moan about the £4m thing though, it was proposed and pushed to the PL by Short himself.[DOUBLEPOST=1388752476][/DOUBLEPOST]
Season ticket holders will be through the floor.
Not moaning about it I was just pointing it out.
I think it's a pretty good rule but yes I think it's impacted on us.
 
so the 12 who are out of contract / loans are ending, How much do you think they are on? Id guess
Westwood - 20k
Bardsley - 30k
Cuellar - 20k
Dossena - 20k
Larsson - 35k
Gardner - 35k
Colback - 15k
Ji - 15k
Ki - 20k
Celustka - 10k
Borini - 20k
Alonso - 10k
so 250k Per week we would be saving which is 13 million per year, that is a lot of room to manoeuvre with, I'm sure if we stay up a few would be offered new contracts / aimed to sign on a permeant deal but if we go down its helped get rid of a lot of high earners
 
Too right they will be and deservedly so as well, however we have shown that we can pull crowds in at the first sniff of doing well in the championship. Id guess on an average of 34k ish next season, it will start of low in the 23-25 but if we are doing well we will start to pull back in enough to get around 34k average.
I'm not sure this time, there wasn't an economic hardship at the same time in previous championship seasons.
 
But if there was any mort available it could have went towards the sales but it never.

I'm not expecting us to spend more than £5m this month either,[DOUBLEPOST=1388752675][/DOUBLEPOST]
Financially exploding isn't my worry, it wouldn't be beneficial for short to do that.

My issue is mainly us competing on a premie league level, financially. We don't seem able to.[/quote]

But we are. Our wage bill is the 8th highest in the league. It's on the green stuff that we are not competing.


But we are. Our wage bill is the 8th highest in the league. It's on the green stuff that we are not competing.
 
We couldn't keep on posting losses of £20m+ every season, we were being bankrolled by Short and it couldn't go on forever. Short has now done something to try and reduce the clubs debt(net spend of about £300k in summer), if we stop up this season he will look at it as a good season.
 
so the 12 who are out of contract / loans are ending, How much do you think they are on? Id guess
Westwood - 20k
Bardsley - 30k
Cuellar - 20k
Dossena - 20k
Larsson - 35k
Gardner - 35k
Colback - 15k
Ji - 15k
Ki - 20k
Celustka - 10k
Borini - 20k
Alonso - 10k
so 250k Per week we would be saving which is 13 million per year, that is a lot of room to manoeuvre with, I'm sure if we stay up a few would be offered new contracts / aimed to sign on a permeant deal but if we go down its helped get rid of a lot of high earners
Vaughan too, would imagine he'd be on a decent wedge similar to Larsson, Gardner etc..
 
There will be a lot of deadwood on big money off the wage bill, and relegation clauses will come in to effect for those still under contract. I'd imagine we'd probably re-coup half of what we paid on Fletcher & Johnson, and maybe the full amount on Giaccherini.

I think that would give us a fairly clean slate with around £15-£20m from that, plus parachute payments, Short really needs to put faith in Poyet, and give him the funds to actually build a squad (which i believe he is capable of doing).

Given the situation over the past few years, i've no doubt that we will have a barrage of loans to fill the gaps instead.

Which will be around £40 million less than we would get for stopping up.............if you seriously think Poyets going to get around £40-£45 million to spend if we go down mate youre living in cloud cuckoo land ...........
 
so the 12 who are out of contract / loans are ending, How much do you think they are on? Id guess
Westwood - 20k
Bardsley - 30k
Cuellar - 20k
Dossena - 20k
Larsson - 35k
Gardner - 35k
Colback - 15k
Ji - 15k
Ki - 20k
Celustka - 10k
Borini - 20k
Alonso - 10k
so 250k Per week we would be saving which is 13 million per year, that is a lot of room to manoeuvre with, I'm sure if we stay up a few would be offered new contracts / aimed to sign on a permeant deal but if we go down its helped get rid of a lot of high earners
I agree with the sentiments but they still need replacing. And unless you're picking up just frees, we will need to pay £3m say and what, £20k a week? You're still going to be looking at £4/5m for the first year of one player.
 
so the 12 who are out of contract / loans are ending, How much do you think they are on? Id guess
Westwood - 20k
Bardsley - 30k
Cuellar - 20k
Dossena - 20k
Larsson - 35k
Gardner - 35k
Colback - 15k
Ji - 15k
Ki - 20k
Celustka - 10k
Borini - 20k
Alonso - 10k
so 250k Per week we would be saving which is 13 million per year, that is a lot of room to manoeuvre with, I'm sure if we stay up a few would be offered new contracts / aimed to sign on a permeant deal but if we go down its helped get rid of a lot of high earners

we're losing 25m a year, it'll be more than that.
 
Last season TV money was around £44m.....this season £60m for bottom club....relegation in 1st season £24m with parachute payment....then throw in reduced sponsorship and gate money.
Wages have 40% reduction clause with relegation.. ??....lets hope we stay up....or its a clearout.
 
But if there was any mort available it could have went towards the sales but it never.

I'm not expecting us to spend more than £5m this month either,[DOUBLEPOST=1388752675][/DOUBLEPOST]
Financially exploding isn't my worry, it wouldn't be beneficial for short to do that.

My issue is mainly us competing on a premie league level, financially. We don't seem able to.
Of course we can compete, the point is we are outspending many of our rivals in the bottom half and have done consistently over the last few years. Unfortunately we have spent so badly we are left with a squad full of players paid way above their contribution on the pitch.
 
We couldn't keep on posting losses of £20m+ every season, we were being bankrolled by Short and it couldn't go on forever. Short has now done something to try and reduce the clubs debt(net spend of about £300k in summer), if we stop up this season he will look at it as a good season.
I think we will go down though. We did have to make changes, I agree there but I think relegation would be a disaster for us.
 
Which will be around £40 million less than we would get for stopping up.............if you seriously think Poyets going to get around £40-£45 million to spend if we go down mate youre living in cloud cuckoo land ...........

put it this way, if he does not give him funds, we won't get promoted again.
 
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