FFP Only applies if you make a kiss if £105 million over 3 years?


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We could get around FFP if we wanted too, but we don't as Short was the main driving force behind them being implemented (probably because in US Sports owners make a profit).

Now the question is how the fuck do we improve on and off the pitch short term and long term (because I dont see anything but eventual relegation) how can we become a well run but actually decent football club, like Stoke, Swansea, Southampton ect...
 
We could get around FFP if we wanted too, but we don't as Short was the main driving force behind them being implemented (probably because in US Sports owners make a profit).

Now the question is how the fuck do we improve on and off the pitch short term and long term (because I dont see anything but eventual relegation) how can we become a well run but actually decent football club, like Stoke, Swansea, Southampton ect...
Pray tell how we get around it then. ..And it's a myth he was the driving force he was one of group who agreed with its implementation. .
 
FFP is irrelevant, our spending is hamstrung by the fact that we're not a profitable business, and therefore any expenditure comes straight out of Short's pockets. The blokes already £150million in that he wont ever see back. Bear in mind thats about 15% of his wealth. Understandably not keen to spunk much more up the wall.
 
bookmark all you like. If it doesn't happen it doesn't mean you are right, it just means that you would have won the gamble, which you are trying to somehow paint as certainty. You're wrong no matter what happens.


No. All indicators point in that way.

As we stand now. There are no punishments and it will not be applied retrospectively. It just cannot work.

The season is well underway.

You will have to accept that you are wrong at some point this season...
 
Pray tell how we get around it then. ..And it's a myth he was the driving force he was one of group who agreed with its implementation. .

Sponsor the stadium, its not a myth either go back and check newspaper articals from the time.

I'm not criticizing him, its his decision and its his money. I also hate having to talk about finances, i was crap at maths at school and i'm a football fan not an accountant. What I can tell you is that we are a mess on and off the pitch currently though and carry on as we look like we will inevitably have to will cause relegation eventually. What I hope for is that we can rebuild like Wolves/ Southampton / Swansea / Palace
 
Pray tell how we get around it then. ..And it's a myth he was the driving force he was one of group who agreed with its implementation. .


We don't need to get round it. There are no punishments as well you know.

They are also not going to vote to impose them retrospectively because it would be improper and unfair and unjust to apply a sanction that no club was aware of prior to the future mythical decision.

In other words. There is almost nil chance there can be any actual points deduction for this season because no club knows what the points penalty would be for breaking it by £100 or by £10 million pound or where the line would be drawn.

Given its the clubs themselves who are supposed to decide this they are not going to retrospectively punish themselves nor are they going to give themselves a headache by trying to impose a scale of punishment retrospectively that nobody knew about.

They also want to spend all the money they will get at the end of this season.

I think you are pretty certain that FFP will go no further than it already has. If we are desperate to avoid relegation then of course in this circumstance it should be ignored.
 
Sponsor the stadium, its not a myth either go back and check newspaper articals from the time.

I'm not criticizing him, its his decision and its his money. I also hate having to talk about finances, i was crap at maths at school and i'm a football fan not an accountant. What I can tell you is that we are a mess on and off the pitch currently though and carry on as we look like we will inevitably have to will cause relegation eventually. What I hope for is that we can rebuild like Wolves/ Southampton / Swansea / Palace
Sponsor the stadium with what...A company that buys distressed specialist debt with external monies raised on specialist markets...

You are thinking everyone has owners like man City. .

We don't need to get round it. There are no punishments as well you know.

They are also not going to vote to impose them retrospectively because it would be improper and unfair and unjust to apply a sanction that no club was aware of prior to the future mythical decision.

In other words. There is almost nil chance there can be any actual points deduction for this season because no club knows what the points penalty would be for breaking it by £100 or by £10 million pound or where the line would be drawn.

Given its the clubs themselves who are supposed to decide this they are not going to retrospectively punish themselves nor are they going to give themselves a headache by trying to impose a scale of punishment retrospectively that nobody knew about.

They also want to spend all the money they will get at the end of this season.

I think you are pretty certain that FFP will go no further than it already has. If we are desperate to avoid relegation then of course in this circumstance it should be ignored.
Why are clubs then clearly adhering to it then. .
 
I have a question...

With this increase of £4m the ceiling, how can the big clubs go and sign players on hyper wages, without letting anyone of note go? Or Crystal Palace sign Cabaye and Wickham and that Sako lad and let a load of reserves go and still be fine doing so?

Is it a sliding scale of some sort?

No. This is exactly the kind of thing they have to decide and were supposed to last December and haven't.

It's also the reason it cannot be applied retrospectively and therefore why we need not worry about it this season.

On top of that the massive amount of money that every club will want to spend come the end of this season, so they are not going to decide this restriction at these limits. And they certainly have no interest in agreeing a punishment scale for them at these limits. It's dead in the water in its current form.

It's as plain as day to see.

Why are clubs then clearly adhering to it then. .

I don't know that they are.

We could certainly agree that they won't be next season with the extra tv money don't you think?

Given that... there is nil incentive or purpose for them to agree to the punishment scale and attempt to impose it retrospectively for this season...which has already begun.
I think you realise this.
 
No. This is exactly the kind of thing they have to decide and were supposed to last December and haven't.

It's also the reason it cannot be applied retrospectively and therefore why we need not worry about it this season.

On top of that the massive amount of money that every club will want to spend come the end of this season, so they are not going to decide this restriction at these limits. And they certainly have no interest in agreeing a punishment scale for them at these limits. It's dead in the water in its current form.

It's as plain as day to see.



I don't know that they are.

We could certainly agree that they won't be next season with the extra tv money don't you think?

Given that... there is nil incentive or purpose for them to agree to the punishment scale and attempt to impose it retrospectively for this season...which has already begun.
I think you realise this.
But they are. ..we are stoke have had the luxury of shifting their two hest players..Swansea say they are finished having shed players and one incoming was free palace have a bill below the limits ...west ham have lost downing wages which will be more than what's come in..Everton have signed next to nowt and lost distins and Southampton have sold two high earners to Liverpool and Man Utd. .
 
But they are. ..we are stoke have had the luxury of shifting their two hest players..Swansea say they are finished having shed players and one incoming was free palace have a bill below the limits ...west ham have lost downing wages which will be more than what's come in..Everton have signed next to nowt and lost distins and Southampton have sold two high earners to Liverpool and Man Utd. .

Alright...i'll try it without the first line this time.


We could certainly agree that they won't be next season with the extra tv money don't you think?

Given that... there is nil incentive or purpose for them to agree to the punishment scale and attempt to impose it retrospectively for this season...which has already begun.

I think you realise this.
 
Alright...i'll try it without the first line this time.


We could certainly agree that they won't be next season with the extra tv money don't you think?

Given that... there is nil incentive or purpose for them to agree to the punishment scale and attempt to impose it retrospectively for this season...which has already begun.

I think you realise this.
Possibly but we don't know..what we do when we actually look is we are not the only ones keeping within it at all


In a years time when the accounts are available I bet the increases around us are uniform..

God knows what will transpire but at present you deal with what you think and the club's around us are consistent
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Possibly but we don't know..what we do when we actually look is we are not the only ones keeping within it at all


On a years time when the accounts are available I bet the increases around us are uniform so your original bugger it isn't what clubs are currently doing...

God knows what will transpire but at present you deal with what you think and the club's around us are consistent
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Again we shall have to leave it on this slight disagreement. Although I maintain there is zero incentive, and given what I said above that it is almost certain that there will be no penalties imposed and if they ever do decide them the levels will surely change given the new money on the way.



As for West Ham... they have made two big signings (amongst others)..

Angelo Ogbonna – Juventus, £7.9m
Dimitri Payet – Marseille, £10.7m

I bet they come with hefty wages.
However, attempting to argue about the mathematics of other clubs in/out transfers in this context is pretty fruitless.

On the plus side we appear to be making FFP clearer for some people on here.
 
Again we shall have to leave it on this slight disagreement. Although I maintain there is zero incentive given what I said above that it is almost certain that there will be no penalties imposed and if they ever do decide them the levels will surely change given the new money on the way.



As for West Ham... they have made to big signings (amongst others)..

Angelo Ogbonna – Juventus, £7.9m
Dimitri Payet – Marseille, £10.7m

I bet they come with hefty wages.
However, attempting to argue about the mathematics of other clubs in/out transfers in this context is pretty fruitless.

On the plus side we appear to be making FFP clearer for some people on here.
Both probably within their limits plus the loss of downing..
 
No. All indicators point in that way.

As we stand now. There are no punishments and it will not be applied retrospectively. It just cannot work.

The season is well underway.

You will have to accept that you are wrong at some point this season...

no mate, I'm sorry, but you are talking out of your arse.

You say "all indicators" and "unlikely" but refuse to accept that without certainty, not just about this, but about anything in life, if you put something valuable on the line then you are gambling.

On the other hand, they are also gambling that they won't get relegated, but on that note we do know that we will have more incomings. To what extent they will improve the team we will have to wait and see.
 
no mate, I'm sorry, but you are talking out of your arse.

You say "all indicators" and "unlikely" but refuse to accept that without certainty, not just about this, but about anything in life, if you put something valuable on the line then you are gambling.

On the other hand, they are also gambling that they won't get relegated, but on that note we do know that we will have more incomings. To what extent they will improve the team we will have to wait and see.

It is not gambling to say there are no punishments for breaking FFP.

I think you are daft to persist with the idea that nothing is certain until it has happened. We don't do anything that way in any walk of life.

However we shall have to leave it there. You are not going to be persuaded that FFP is dead in its current form despite nothing happening on this front and a load of tv money coming in 9 months that means they are not going to do anything in that time either.
 
FFP is irrelevant, our spending is hamstrung by the fact that we're not a profitable business, and therefore any expenditure comes straight out of Short's pockets. The blokes already £150million in that he wont ever see back. Bear in mind thats about 15% of his wealth. Understandably not keen to spunk much more up the wall.
This. People need to accept we are probably done spending wise until next summer
 
To be honest if I was Short I wouldn't put anymore money in either like, throwing his money down the drain, he must feel gutted to lose it all. On the other hand from a fans point of view we want him to spend it and get quality in, I suppose it's ok for us to spend the money when it's not ours. He has to hold his hands up though and accept the mistakes he has made, he has paid the price by losing the money, We will have to come to terms that no money is available and we are stuck with this current squad until next year when hopefully we will spend abit more on quality, if we stay up that is and that's a big IF.
 
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