FFP Only applies if you make a kiss if £105 million over 3 years?


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It's not over 3 seasons.

But it's just that kind of 'how the fuck will this work' problem of application that has meant it hasn't been done. With the money coming end of this season you can guarantee that the levels first mooted will be greater than in current FFP, so we won't be breaking them.

Equally if the choice in any future was to be relegated or stay up with a 3 point subduction well that's a no brainer.

Any way you look at it, it can't work.

I wasn't trying to say that it was calculated over 3 seasons but I understand your confusion. What I was simply trying to say without going into detail was that any decisions we make now ie to overspend on the wage bill will not just be a problem for this season but would potentially cause us problems for the length of the contract. We could receive point reductions this year, or possibly this year, next year, and the year after if we significantly broke the salary cap. My point was that although it may be that this year penalties may not apply, any gamble we took now might also bite us in the arse in the future.
 
Erm that's 80k a week...we have signed 5 players when the average pl wage is about 40k a week..
I have a question...

With this increase of £4m the ceiling, how can the big clubs go and sign players on hyper wages, without letting anyone of note go? Or Crystal Palace sign Cabaye and Wickham and that Sako lad and let a load of reserves go and still be fine doing so?

Is it a sliding scale of some sort?
 
OK, lets just throw money at quality and all the problems are solved...

Do you rate Borini? We threw £14 million at him and he wouldn't sign...
Rodwell...everyone seemed happy to sign him..£10 million
Alvarez...midfielder from Inter, now nobody wants to pay a penny for him
Cattermole, everyone's favorite gets a new deal...but he sucks now as well


Who are all these quality players we're going to be spending money on?? Let's hear your list? Or are you saying we should be in for Van Persie, Lukaku, Benteke, Kane etc..

What a pointless post.

Are you denying we need quality signings? Is that actually your position?
 
I have a question...

With this increase of £4m the ceiling, how can the big clubs go and sign players on hyper wages, without letting anyone of note go? Or Crystal Palace sign Cabaye and Wickham and that Sako lad and let a load of reserves go and still be fine doing so?

Is it a sliding scale of some sort?
Because you are also allowed increase in sponsorship income and the big clubs sign monster deals...man utd kit deal is worth 75 Millom a season. ..

Palace have a wage bill well below the figure at which the 4 million increase kicks in..
 
Because you are also allowed increase in sponsorship income and the big clubs sign monster deals...man utd kit deal is worth 75 Millom a season. ..

Palace have a wage bill well below the figure at which the 4 million increase kicks in..
Ah so, for arguments sake, if your wage bill is 50m, then if the limit of the 4m increase kicks in at 60m, you have 14m to play with?
 
It's our debt that is stopping new players coming in
It was approx 93m a significant amount of it owed to short directly

It feels like this is f***ing us
 
I wasn't trying to say that it was calculated over 3 seasons but I understand your confusion. What I was simply trying to say without going into detail was that any decisions we make now ie to overspend on the wage bill will not just be a problem for this season but would potentially cause us problems for the length of the contract. We could receive point reductions this year, or possibly this year, next year, and the year after if we significantly broke the salary cap. My point was that although it may be that this year penalties may not apply, any gamble we took now might also bite us in the arse in the future.

I'd happily take penalty points for one season if it meant we stayed in the Premier League. Would you not?

That's all they could be applied for though....one season at a time, but they won't be applied for this season. There's just no way it could work this season. We've already started and clubs won't vote for a level of restriction that means they can't spend the massive pot of money they get at the end of this season. They also wouldn't be able to apply things. Think about it. There would have to be a sliding scale of breaking FFP and a sliding scale of punishments.

They have not decided this so they won't retrospectively apply anything (if they ever do decide this) because there's no way they are going to apply terms to themselves historically when historically they did not know what would be applied. It's unfair and makes no sense.

I have a question...

With this increase of £4m the ceiling, how can the big clubs go and sign players on hyper wages, without letting anyone of note go? Or Crystal Palace sign Cabaye and Wickham and that Sako lad and let a load of reserves go and still be fine doing so?

Is it a sliding scale of some sort?


That £4 mill can be subsidised by commercial revenue...which they have a lot of.

I'm asking you to name a quality signing we should be after??


should be after or actually signing?

And why the hell does it matter anyway?
 
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It's our debt that is stopping new players coming in
It was approx 93m a significant amount of it owed to short directly

It feels like this is f***ing us
It's not like and mist of that us actually owed to third parties. ..ie banks..
 
So are you saying that the debts aren't the reason of player being bought or shorts end of the debts are insignificant
Shorts debts are equity now which means he can't get it back 7til it's sold....we are not buying because we had 80k a week increase under ffp allowed have lost wickhams 50/60k but have signed 5 players...

We need wages off before we can add players..
 
Shorts debts are equity now which means he can't get it back 7til it's sold....we are not buying because we had 80k a week increase under ffp allowed have lost wickhams 50/60k but have signed 5 players...

We need wages off before we can add players..
Well that makes sense
"Liked" but don't like it if you know what I mean

So we need to slash and burn wages
We are hyper vulnerable now
 
I'd happily take penalty points for one season if it meant we stayed in the Premier League. Would you not?

Of course - but as we have no way of knowing if we would stay in the League then it comes back to it being a massive gamble. What was it that SAFC were penalised for back in the 50's?

Imagine the damage to the club if we were penalised, relegated, and spent years back in the 2nd division or worse. But worse still, the laws that punished us had all been instigated by our own chairman.
 
Of course - but as we have no way of knowing if we would stay in the League then it comes back to it being a massive gamble. What was it that SAFC were penalised for back in the 50's?

Imagine the damage to the club if we were penalised, relegated, and spent years back in the 2nd division or worse. But worse still, the laws that punished us had all been instigated by our own chairman.


You don't think we're relegation material now?

You do also know that they cannot, for several reasons, apply penalties to any clubs this year. And with the money next year its unlikely that they will agree any oenalties at all because it will mean the clubs don't get to spend their big tv money next year. So this conversation is all moot. There are no punishments for breaking wages FFP.
 
You don't think we're relegation material now?

You do also know that they cannot, for several reasons, apply penalties to any clubs this year. And with the money next year its unlikely that they will agree any oenalties at all because it will mean the clubs don't get to spend their big tv money next year. So this conversation is all moot. There are no punishments for breaking wages FFP.

Firstly, we are no more relegation material than we have been in the last few years. Remember 1 point from 8 games?

As for the stuff in bold, unlikely does not a moot argument make. It makes a gamble.
 
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