Fans getting frustrated and worried about KLD ownership already ?


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parachute money was owed to SBC Corporation..they legally owned it..nothing to do with Donald et al..was used to pay for a debt Donald anbd his mates inherited..they went along with shorts lie about leaving the club debt free, and about "giving" him £40m..but the para money was long gone to its rightful owner by the time donald came in..
what previous commitments did we have when we had the highest wage bill in the league last year?
Donald paid 40 million quid for Sunderland with a huge chunk coming from the club.

Donald then used that sale price to try and sell the club for the same/similar figure. He has used that money (parachute), which he promised to pay back, to seemingly make himself a handsome profit.

The whole thing stinks. And he hangs on wanting to profit even more from the club.

He is, without doubt, the single worst thing to ever happen to this club.
 
He extended his contract on by far the best paid in this league.

Aob is, bizarre but still..


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Parachite payments were security over Donald not paying.

He didn't pay so the security was used.
eh? donald pay what? SBC were paid before donald owned the club...the accounts show £12.7m went from Donalds company into safc companies..that was to pay for the club..donald keeps mentioning he put that "in" but he implies he put it in for the benefit of the c;lub..he didnt..he put it in to pay short for the shares..para money was long gone by then..
there were subsequent seasons para money like the destination of which is a mystery (the final years cash)..but the money SBC owned went to them..prior to donald being involved
 
ah but tghere was a clause in it saying if we got relegated agin..payment had to be made in full and immediately..safc didnt have the money..donbald wasnt owner at that stage so nothing to do with him..
Categorically incorrect. And for the final time, you know this already.
 
eh? donald pay what? SBC were paid before donald owned the club...the accounts show £12.7m went from Donalds company into safc companies..that was to pay for the club..donald keeps mentioning he put that "in" but he implies he put it in for the benefit of the c;lub..he didnt..he put it in to pay short for the shares..para money was long gone by then..
there were subsequent seasons para money like the destination of which is a mystery (the final years cash)..but the money SBC owned went to them..prior to donald being involved

Donald paid a small amount of what the agreed price was.

He was due to make more payments.

Para was used as security in the chance that Donald did not make further payments.

Donald did not make agreed payments. Para was used instead.
 
because of the huge losses from the pandemic..no income but huge costs..who do you think is paying for those? even tghe ST money this season wont be much because of refunds..
Categorically incorrect. And for the final time, you know this already.
prove it..companies house says im right..looka t the date the SBC charge dissapeared..then look at the date donald bought the club..the one happened prior to the other..are you saying short could have done something different? he was in charge when the SBC charge over the clubs assets dissapeared..nothing to do with donald...donald has lied though about putting money in..he said it again at the fans meeting,, what he put in, which again is in the Madrox accounts..is amoun t equal to the cost of buying the club..£12m or so..and not a penny then for ages..until £2.2m last year..but he implied the £12m or so went "into the club" ie for the benfit of the club..it didnt..it went to pay short..or else..they used other para money to pay short and put the £12m in themsekves later,..but either way..thats not them putting £12m in..they have put £2.2m in which is actually fuck all, and is not even the net figure as they were paid salaries
Donald paid a small amount of what the agreed price was.

He was due to make more payments.

Para was used as security in the chance that Donald did not make further payments.

Donald did not make agreed payments. Para was used instead.
the agreed price wa s£12m..£12m went in..
they couldnt use para to pay short as SBC had to be paid..
 
because of the huge losses from the pandemic..no income but huge costs..who do you think is paying for those? even tghe ST money this season wont be much because of refunds..

prove it..companies house says im right..looka t the date the SBC charge dissapeared..then look at the date donald bought the club..the one happened prior to the other..are you saying short could have done something different? he was in charge when the SBC charge over the clubs assets dissapeared..nothing to do with donald...donald has lied though about putting money in..he said it again at the fans meeting,, what he put in, which again is in the Madrox accounts..is amoun t equal to the cost of buying the club..£12m or so..and not a penny then for ages..until £2.2m last year..but he implied the £12m or so went "into the club" ie for the benfit of the club..it didnt..it went to pay short..or else..they used other para money to pay short and put the £12m in themsekves later,..but either way..thats not them putting £12m in..they have put £2.2m in which is actually fuck all, and is not even the net figure as they were paid salaries

the agreed price wa s£12m..£12m went in..
they couldnt use para to pay short as SBC had to be paid..
Yeah like all owners for goodness sake. We're not unique. How many other clubs are selling 22k season cards and selling out all their boxes in league one??? Are we supposed to get excited and be thankful for signing Evans on a free at 31?
 
I’m frustrated. I don’t see how anyone else could be. The long term could be great but the short term is really disappointing. I’m happy to give it time though but agree if this was Donald there’d be hell on.
 
because of the huge losses from the pandemic..no income but huge costs..who do you think is paying for those? even tghe ST money this season wont be much because of refunds..

prove it..companies house says im right..looka t the date the SBC charge dissapeared..then look at the date donald bought the club..the one happened prior to the other..are you saying short could have done something different? he was in charge when the SBC charge over the clubs assets dissapeared..nothing to do with donald...donald has lied though about putting money in..he said it again at the fans meeting,, what he put in, which again is in the Madrox accounts..is amoun t equal to the cost of buying the club..£12m or so..and not a penny then for ages..until £2.2m last year..but he implied the £12m or so went "into the club" ie for the benfit of the club..it didnt..it went to pay short..or else..they used other para money to pay short and put the £12m in themsekves later,..but either way..thats not them putting £12m in..they have put £2.2m in which is actually fuck all, and is not even the net figure as they were paid salaries

the agreed price wa s£12m..£12m went in..
they couldnt use para to pay short as SBC had to be paid..

I must be out of the loop then, had believed it be closer to 40m.

And misheard that being stated.

As well as the parachute money being stated as purely security etc..
 
Yeah like all owners for goodness sake. We're not unique. How many other clubs are selling 22k season cards and selling out all their boxes in league one??? Are we supposed to get excited and be thankful for signing Evans on a free at 31?
well id rather we got him for free than paid for him..why do you think he is shite>? any evidence?
and not every other club in the league will lsoe as much as SAFC, because our costs are much higher than theirs..
I’m frustrated. I don’t see how anyone else could be. The long term could be great but the short term is really disappointing. I’m happy to give it time though but agree if this was Donald there’d be hell on.
the short term hasnt happened yet...as in the success of it wont be apparent, if it happens, until the season end
 
He will have a lengthy honeymoon period because he's foreign and he's rich. Simple as that. The hysteria when he appeared at that U23 game was weird

It'll all go pear shaped. It always does at SAFC. Nowt much has changed regardless of the conviction some have that we've undergone the biggest revolution in decades

He may well just be a gimmick-seeker without much of a clue. Why even would he have a clue to be honest?
Do you say Happy New Year when it’s new year, or just ‘New Year’ in your best Eeyore voice ?
 
well id rather we got him for free than paid for him..why do you think he is shite>? any evidence?
and not every other club in the league will lsoe as much as SAFC, because our costs are much higher than theirs..

the short term hasnt happened yet...as in the success of it wont be apparent, if it happens, until the season end
Well if we can't compete selling 22k season cards and all our boxes with average attendances of 30k plus perhaps we should just jack in because we're being out thought and outplayed by clubs like Coventry and Blackpool on a regular basis. Now we have clubs like Wigan signing our top scorer. It's unaccetable.
 
I must be out of the loop then, had believed it be closer to 40m.

And misheard that being stated.

As well as the parachute money being stated as purely security etc..
the £40m was stated, but it was a lie by donald. he said the thing about security at one stage, then changed his story on it, another lie..
thats the point, there has never been a legal obligation on donald to put the £25m back in, if there was security, that would be a legal obligation..it would be mentioend in the clubs accounts..but the £25m couldnt be sevciroity to ellis to pay for the club..as SBC already had security over it..so two different people cant have security over the same asset can they?
donald has lied through his teeth about putting money in though..and still does it..
there has always been a moral obligation on donald to put it in..he hasnt done that...and deseves condemantion for that..
Well if we can't compete selling 22k season cards and all our boxes with average attendances of 30k plus perhaps we should just jack in because we're being out thought and outplayed by clubs like Coventry and Blackpool on a regular basis. Now we have clubs like Wigan signing our top scorer. I
whats unbaceeptavle? nothing has hapepend yet..a ball has not been kicked yet..the transfer window isnt closed yet
Absolute bollocks
;eople have said on this baord since ellis short days the rules are bollox..they arent though..we can spend 60 per cent of turnover on wages..athats enough to give us the highest wage bill in the league is we spend rught up to that amount..last year we spent £14m on wages..the higehst in the league
 
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the £40m was stated, but it was a lie by donald. he said the thing about security at one stage, then changed his story on it, another lie..
thats the point, there has never been a legal obligation on donald to put the £25m back in, if there was security, that would be a legal obligation..it would be mentioend in the clubs accounts..but the £25m couldnt be sevciroity to ellis to pay for the club..as SBC already had security over it..so two different people cant have security over the same asset can they?
donald has lied through his teeth about putting money in though..and still does it..
there has always been a moral obligation on donald to put it in..he hasnt done that...and deseves condemantion for that..

whats unbaceeptavle? nothing has hapepend yet..a ball has not been kicked yet..the transfer window isnt closed yet

;eople have said on this baord since ellis short days the rules are bollox..they arent though..we can spend 60 per cent of turnover on wages..athats enough to give us the highest wage bill in the league is we spend rught up to that amount..last year we spent £14m on wages..the higehst in the league
Yes...nothing has happened, that's why many are understandably frustrated.
 
i am very worried that we are up the creek without a paddle.
There has been far too much smokescreen and mirrors and a lot of blame laying on the previous regime by the current one without any real action up to now to strengthen the very weak under performing current squad.
Lots of talk about projects and plans but football is a fast moving game and the club requires immediate remedies to correct the abject situation it is in and not a lot of hot air and blah,blah,blah about some pie in the sky about a coming glorious future which we have been promised from time immemorial
 
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the £40m was stated, but it was a lie by donald. he said the thing about security at one stage, then changed his story on it, another lie..
thats the point, there has never been a legal obligation on donald to put the £25m back in, if there was security, that would be a legal obligation..it would be mentioend in the clubs accounts..but the £25m couldnt be sevciroity to ellis to pay for the club..as SBC already had security over it..so two different people cant have security over the same asset can they?
donald has lied through his teeth about putting money in though..and still does it..
there has always been a moral obligation on donald to put it in..he hasnt done that...and deseves condemantion for that..

whats unbaceeptavle? nothing has hapepend yet..a ball has not been kicked yet..the transfer window isnt closed yet

;eople have said on this baord since ellis short days the rules are bollox..they arent though..we can spend 60 per cent of turnover on wages..athats enough to give us the highest wage bill in the league is we spend rught up to that amount..last year we spent £14m on wages..the higehst in the league

Yea fair enough.

Just seems misleading to say the price was 12 when it was stated otherwise.
 
What's garbage about man it's an observation from what I've heard amongst friends, work colleagues it's stuff I've read on here and social media

Should we have spent the money on Fraser instead of Ipswich doing it ? That's what people are asking
Don't worry about it
 
We need rid of Grigg and O'Brien. After that high wages would be Mcgeady. Gooch and Wright. Don't f***ing tell me But he is paid higher than average. We have more income than any other team. Yet still struggle. Let's hope to fuck Kld and the team can sort this out. As for our contract negotiators if an agent asks for an uplift for living in the North East, kick him in the nuts and hoy the wanker down the stairs
We need rid of Grigg and O'Brien. After that high wages would be Mcgeady. Gooch and Wright. Don't f***ing tell me Burge. But he is paid higher than average. We have more income than any other team. Yet still struggle. Let's hope to fuck Kld and the team can sort this out. As for our contract negotiators if an agent asks for an uplift for living in the North East, kick him in the nuts and hoy the wanker down the stairs
 
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To be honest alf, I think it has very little baring.

A short term plan that the majority would have agreed with has just happened. Its left us really poor off.

A long term plan would have a better chance at producing something the fans want at some point.

Fan appeasement is not conducive to intelligent process.

I'd agree with some of your points but I still think a toxic atmosphere hinders development on the pitch. Young lads tend not to thrive in it and some players will, shall we say, play within themselves. Ultimately the manager normally pays the price too and the new owner will have to ask those fans to renew season cards after another year of failure. The two signings so far are hardly indicative of some new data driven model anyway.....essentially they look like more of the same, old, injury prone players with question marks against them.
 
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