Fan disorder a ‘reflection’ of the country - Southgate


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This is why we never had pitch invasions and fan disturbance before social media
We're talking about the frequency and nature of the events here. There are many twitter accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers , which pump out into the ether "scenes" & "limbs" , glamourizing the behaviour and giving ratings etc.

It would take a fool to believe this was not contributing. The clearest example is the non sensical purchase and launching of beer during beambacks of tournaments in outdoor public spaces...glamourized and sprung out of nowhere.

Happy slapping was the trail blazer in the social media age. So hardly unthinkable that pitch invasions and the behaviour Southgate is discussing could be influenced by the same , much enhanced, medium.
 
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Man Utd started it with men in black but it’s the continental ultras that all seem to wear that style. It means the coppers/CCTV cant easily identify them.
A long way from the pastel Pringle jumpers I sported in the mid 80s 😂


Along with your:
Wedge haircut.
Lyle and Scott roll neck.
Bleached Lois jeans, frayed and a v cut out the sides.
Lois chords.
Golfing glove hanging out your jeans pocket.
A deerstalker hat.
Nike Wimbledon trainers/Adidas Trimtrams?
Aqua and dark blue Patrick cagoul..

Football casual wear 82/83/84/85......So fcuking cool.
 
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Modern society makes a rod for its own back I think. Everyone’s excusable because of either “preference” or mental health. Can’t punish children with a clip. Most people leaving school or even college now will have never had any real repercussions for ther actions throughout any point in their entire lives. I know the age range is more diverse I’ve mentioned so of course there’s multiple factors but once anarchy starts it can gather momentum quickly.
 
Modern society makes a rod for its own back I think. Everyone’s excusable because of either “preference” or mental health. Can’t punish children with a clip. Most people leaving school or even college now will have never had any real repercussions for ther actions throughout any point in their entire lives. I know the age range is more diverse I’ve mentioned so of course there’s multiple factors but once anarchy starts it can gather momentum quickly.
My own view is that the constant pushing of individual rights & privileges, dissociated from societal responsibility and expectation, is corroding our character as a country. People frankly feel they can do whatever the hell they want, and the first priority in reproach will be their welfare as a criminal.

I've been called a deluded idiot on this forum, this weekend, for expecting the police to take action against one man curling out a shite into a pint glass & decorating it with a beer mat in a licenced premises.

So what of people invading a pitch to expect any sort of punishment. They'd probably be aghast at the thought of being asked to leave let alone being prosecuted.
Amazing how we had 50k in London over two nights on the piss , won a match at Wembley and as far as I have seen , the behaviour was immaculate.
A credit to the club & city, no doubt.
 
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Modern society makes a rod for its own back I think. Everyone’s excusable because of either “preference” or mental health.
The mental health excuse is becoming weary. Society daren’t yet broach the link between the mental health crisis & the cocaine epidemic that exists here either. Literally darent incase it sets the liberals and enablers off into a frenzy.
I've been called a deluded idiot on this forum, this weekend, for expecting the police to take action against one man curling out a shite into a pint glass & decorating it with a beer mat in a licenced premises.

So what of people invading a pitch to expect any sort of punishment. They'd probably be aghast at the thought of being asked to leave let alone being prosecuted.

There was a thread on here recently where some scruff was outed for shoplifting non essential goods from a small business, ran by hard grafting working class local family. After initial condemnation the enablers couldn’t wait to defend the thief and actually turned the finger around onto the victims for daring to shame the person who stole from them. :lol: staggering man. (This echoed the facebook response to the situation too). People falling over themselves to come across righteous and caring.
 
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Do you seriously not recognise that labour and the left are equally as divisive ? They are all as bad as each other. Identity politics is killing the country.
Both sides.
Personally think it's daft to blame Labour and plays exactly in to what I've said. I agree identity politics are bad, but I'd love to hear the narrative of what Labour's done that is as divisive as the Tories (the party in power) and Brexit in recent years.
 
Personally think it's daft to blame Labour and plays exactly in to what I've said. I agree identity politics are bad, but I'd love to hear the narrative of what Labour's done that is as divisive as the Tories (the party in power) and Brexit in recent years.
The Tories didn't 'do' Brexit. That was something that happened to both main parties and overwhelmed them. The reason it happened is because both parties had such a decades long consensus over how to run the country, that people up here never got heard. Everyone assumed we'd all vote Labour for ever, so they never bothered to give us much and the Tories never tried to win it with offering anything. Gradually over about 20 years people all across the fringes of the nation started progressing through the parties looking for something else to vote for. That's how you got the rise of the BNP, UKIP and the demise of political parties in local councils. This process was much more pronounced and visible in Scotland with a seemingly moderate SNP as an alternative.

People were desperate to be listened to and no one was. As soon as you had a referendum then everyone who had a problem could kick the establishment and shout 'listen'. For some unknown reason (despite most of the shouters being Labour voters and Corbyn being a lifelong Brexiteer) the Labour party ignored it. The Tories jumped on it and won a whopping majority. Make no mistake though, these groups need to be listened to if either party is going to win election. The state of the nation is not a recent or sudden thing; both main parties are to blame for it. And I don't really see either of them have changed what they do or offer and neither seemed to have heeded the shout.
 

He’s right isn’t he? Why has society gone like this.

Poverty? Those at the top not leading by example & behaving badly? Austerity? Covid? Culture changes? Social media?


Fully appreciate people will be along to mention hooliganism in the 80s etc
So what about that lovely country Qatar, Gareth?

You’re a bit of a hypocrite aren’t you? £££££££££
 
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I blame Trump.
Coke
Social media generation trying to outdo each other for likes
No consequences
Lack of police
Shite stewarding
Lockdowns (has to of played some part was no where near as much disorder 3 years ago)
Government offering fuck all for younguns

It’s not just one thing it’s a combination of loads.
😂😂
 
A few people mentioning cocaine. It's not my specialist subject but I've been to lots of football grounds and lots of race courses in provincial towns and cities on 'ladies day.' If you want to escape media scrutiny on your coke fuelled adventures try swapping the Stone Island jumper for Burtons cheapest skinny fit suit.
 
The Tories didn't 'do' Brexit. That was something that happened to both main parties and overwhelmed them. The reason it happened is because both parties had such a decades long consensus over how to run the country, that people up here never got heard. Everyone assumed we'd all vote Labour for ever, so they never bothered to give us much and the Tories never tried to win it with offering anything. Gradually over about 20 years people all across the fringes of the nation started progressing through the parties looking for something else to vote for. That's how you got the rise of the BNP, UKIP and the demise of political parties in local councils. This process was much more pronounced and visible in Scotland with a seemingly moderate SNP as an alternative.

People were desperate to be listened to and no one was. As soon as you had a referendum then everyone who had a problem could kick the establishment and shout 'listen'. For some unknown reason (despite most of the shouters being Labour voters and Corbyn being a lifelong Brexiteer) the Labour party ignored it. The Tories jumped on it and won a whopping majority. Make no mistake though, these groups need to be listened to if either party is going to win election. The state of the nation is not a recent or sudden thing; both main parties are to blame for it. And I don't really see either of them have changed what they do or offer and neither seemed to have heeded the shout.
The tories absolutely did 'do' brexit.There wouldn't have been a referendum had labour been in power.
 

He’s right isn’t he? Why has society gone like this.

Poverty? Those at the top not leading by example & behaving badly? Austerity? Covid? Culture changes? Social media?


Fully appreciate people will be along to mention hooliganism in the 80s etc
The 2 you mention, austerity and social media, are the shittest things. Austerity is now embedded and will always be with us.
 
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