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It was a unique set of circumstances. They had resurfaced the tarmac and put grooves in it like at spa. But the forces it exerted on the tyres led to failures. I think Ralf S crashed and the shambles was complete when the organisers wanted to install a chicane to slow drivers down in one corner and the FIA refused because the other tyres were fine and it was unfair on Bridgestone whose had supplied tyres fit for purpose.
You're right. Seems unbelievable now that they used to design tyres specifically for each track. No wonder the costs were ridiculous
Max is the better driver now ? He crashed into the pit wall exiting the pits the other week he’s proved nothing the last 2 season apart from being able to win in a dominant car
Just an opinion, you can say the same for any driver that wins, it's 90% the car 10% the driver. There's no real way of judging driver against driver , apart from maybe team mates.
 
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You're right. Seems unbelievable now that they used to design tyres specifically for each track. No wonder the costs were ridiculous

Just an opinion, you can say the same for any driver that wins, it's 90% the car 10% the driver. There's no real way of judging driver against driver , apart from maybe team mates.
Even team mates can be difficult to compare.

Alain Prost tells a story about his time at McLaren and he saw a new Honda engine being delivered marked “For Ayrton”

Who knows what goes on.
 
You can't build a tyre that works in a very specific way AND have two companies both doing that and trying to beat eachother at the same time. They're mutually exclusive.

That's exactly why we have one supplier today. Because f1 controls how the tyres work. Not the providers.

Tyre wars were shit anyway. Just another layer of murky cheating, frankly.

Can't two manufacturers be asked to produce tyres to minimum specifications? I'm not arguing with you (I don't know enough!), just asking.

I have memories of different brands of tyre being another variable: I increasingly have the feeling that F1 is a closed shop.
 
Can't two manufacturers be asked to produce tyres to minimum specifications? I'm not arguing with you (I don't know enough!), just asking.

I have memories of different brands of tyre being another variable: I increasingly have the feeling that F1 is a closed shop.
They can, but it's f1. They won't want to lose.
So they'll push every boundary, bend every rule.

And also, think of it the other way round. What is the point of having 2 makers anyway?
 
Even team mates can be difficult to compare.

Alain Prost tells a story about his time at McLaren and he saw a new Honda engine being delivered marked “For Ayrton”

Who knows what goes on.
Completely agree , there is no real way to compare drivers , unless they stuck them all in a bunch of ford focus s for 70 lapps of Silverstone.

The senna prost thing was maybe an example of why not to have 2 top drivers
 
Completely agree , there is no real way to compare drivers , unless they stuck them all in a bunch of ford focus s for 70 lapps of Silverstone.

The senna prost thing was maybe an example of why not to have 2 top drivers
They started out quite ok but grew to hate each other. The saddest thing is on the day Ayrton died they passed each other in the paddock and to quote Alain “ he gave a little wave”

Hours later Ayrton was dead. 1st May 1994.

A tragedy.
 
Max is the better driver now ? He crashed into the pit wall exiting the pits the other week he’s proved nothing the last 2 season apart from being able to win in a dominant car
Even the most anti-red bull fan would admit that Max is currently the best driver in the world. There's not much between him and Lewis, and from what I saw in Hungary I'd add Alonso to the same tier.

You've then got Le Clerc, Russell and the Mclaren boys...

Then the rest.

In my humble one.
 
Even the most anti-red bull fan would admit that Max is currently the best driver in the world. There's not much between him and Lewis, and from what I saw in Hungary I'd add Alonso to the same tier.

You've then got Le Clerc, Russell and the Mclaren boys...

Then the rest.

In my humble one.
What has Max done to warrant that title ?

Got awarded a title in ‘21 after breaking nearly every driving regulation that season because he couldnt handle competition from the 2nd fastest car that season

He’s then won in an utterly dominant car and beat and average team-mate

Even his miraculous Monaco pole was more down to Alonso screwing up the last sector

Max would get beat by Lewis in the same car, Alonso would push him so would LeClerc
 
Max is driving very well this season- that is undeniable.

It must be said however, that car is light years ahead of everything else on the grid.

He is world champion elect. But he will never be loved by the global F1 community and I have a suspicion that this Red Bull dynasty will be viewed with some measure of distain in the years to come.

History is written by the victors, that is true of wars but motorsport hmmm that is a different fishy kettle.
 
"Never" is a bit strong. Everyone loves the cuddly 2023 Alonso but he was not exactly Mr. Popularity early in his career.
I still think his antics about “GP2 engine“ were hugely unprofessional

I’ve never warmed to him but then I’m a Lewis fan so their is history between them.
 
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What has Max done to warrant that title ?

Got awarded a title in ‘21 after breaking nearly every driving regulation that season because he couldnt handle competition from the 2nd fastest car that season

He’s then won in an utterly dominant car and beat and average team-mate

Even his miraculous Monaco pole was more down to Alonso screwing up the last sector

Max would get beat by Lewis in the same car, Alonso would push him so would LeClerc
A few issues with this.
Both Hamilton and verstappen had a season of trading paint. The rules were not clear enough, too much was down to the race directors discretion. Something which has now changed. I don't blame either of them (now) for any of the incidents, both were reckless at times, the implementation of the rules that season was a joke, but again not their fault.

F1 isn't about who is the best driver, I am sure you know this. It's about which team is the best. The driver is no more than a jokey on a race horse. And at this point in time max is on the fastest horse.

I would say all the drivers out there are brilliant, to be honest they have to be to get through all of the other formulas to reach F1, that does t happen by accident

Saying one driver is better than another is a fun way of expressing an opinion, but unfortunately can not be proved in any way, as said before by Jeff? It's even tricky to say it when they are team mates.
Max is driving very well this season- that is undeniable.

It must be said however, that car is light years ahead of everything else on the grid.

He is world champion elect. But he will never be loved by the global F1 community and I have a suspicion that this Red Bull dynasty will be viewed with some measure of distain in the years to come.

History is written by the victors, that is true of wars but motorsport hmmm that is a different fishy kettle.
I do like max, but can see your point. I think he will walk away in a year or 2 , maybe be viewed in the same light as prost was? Not sure
 
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Appears Haas will continue with KMag & the Hulk for next season. Not sure if that’s because they’re doing well for the team, or there’s not much competition for a Haas seat…
 

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