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The simple fact is that a huge expensive setup overspent by 1.6% on a cap that as F1 accepted was not perfectly defined and required interpretation, and a rewrite of the rules to address it. You could argue all day about how they would have reduced spending had they known they needed to, no one can state it as a fact where and how that would have been achieved no matter how much you want to, the obvious thing for them to do would be to cut it from anywhere but their R&D budget, less catering, less marketing, cheaper travel, whatever there are obviously ways. I was on a Ryanair flight with a great bunch of Williams staff mostly pit crew- previously they had been on chartered flights, but to address costs they were now flying - their words 'cattle class' and it was saving Williams a fortune. So again, no matter how much you want it to be the case, there are always ways to reduce costs when you have to, despite your notion of everything being already to the bone..

Anyway, it was determined that RB breached the cap and were punished - whether you think the punishment appropriate is back to your conspiracy theories of which you have plenty (secret switches in Perez car perhasp for special 'slow laps'?), but it was an R&D specific punishment which again no one can know how much or little damage it has done to their performance and their actual performance this season may or may not have been affected - by an unknown amount - these are not tangibles - especially when the team already has the best cars and driver (again no matter how much you resent it as it isn't 'your team' as evidenced by continuing to dispute one result like it was an entire season). Your conspiracy notions built on this are akin to flat earthers.

F1 history is littered with teams testing the edge of rules and going beyond them, they get punished and rules are tightened up, how odd you aren't dredging all these up and adding an asterisk, ultimately all that matters to you is the 'conspiracy against Hamilton'. Like any conspiracy theorist facts can't change your mind any more than you can change the history records, so we'll just have to leave it at that.
Ah right so your answer on a debate on a discussion board is just that it happened therefore cannot be debated. May as well just shut the thread if that’s the case.

Good deflection attempts though. 8/10.
 
Ah right so your answer on a debate on a discussion board is just that it happened therefore cannot be debated. May as well just shut the thread if that’s the case.

Good deflection attempts though. 8/10.

:lol: :lol: You've had far more debate here than the subject matter merits, (there have been long threads dedicated to this in the past) but were no longer contributing anything new to it, the fact that you would keep going incessantly as you're prone to do across the board does not justify continued responses. 'Deflection' :lol: But you are the type of poster who HAS to have the last word.
 
:lol: :lol: You've had far more debate here than the subject matter merits, (there have been long threads dedicated to this in the past) but were no longer contributing anything new to it, the fact that you would keep going incessantly as you're prone to do across the board does not justify continued responses. 'Deflection' :lol: But you are the type of poster who HAS to have the last word.
^knars.
 
:lol: :lol: You've had far more debate here than the subject matter merits, (there have been long threads dedicated to this in the past) but were no longer contributing anything new to it, the fact that you would keep going incessantly as you're prone to do across the board does not justify continued responses. 'Deflection' :lol: But you are the type of poster who HAS to have the last word.
Just to point out its a touch arrogant to claim to be the judge of how much a topic merits discussion.

And then having the last word whilst claiming the other person is somehow wrong for wanting to have the last word.

Are you posting as a contributor here, or as a mod?
 
Just to point out its a touch arrogant to claim to be the judge of how much a topic merits discussion.

And then having the last word whilst claiming the other person is somehow wrong for wanting to have the last word.

Are you posting as a contributor here, or as a mod?
Hilarious part is I’ll get a ban in a minute for daring to disagree with a mod. Sad state of affairs that we can’t even raise and discuss genuine points, and notable that he’s ignored the other 5-6 posters who’ve pointed out the same thing on this thread too. Was a good debate too earlier in the thread until he got involved.
:lol: :lol: You've had far more debate here than the subject matter merits, (there have been long threads dedicated to this in the past) but were no longer contributing anything new to it, the fact that you would keep going incessantly as you're prone to do across the board does not justify continued responses. 'Deflection' :lol: But you are the type of poster who HAS to have the last word.
Wasn’t the full second half of your last three posts completely irrelevant to the RB debate and just a personal attack at me? If that isn’t deflection I don’t know what is.
 
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Just to point out its a touch arrogant to claim to be the judge of how much a topic merits discussion.

And then having the last word whilst claiming the other person is somehow wrong for wanting to have the last word.

Are you posting as a contributor here, or as a mod?

The wagons circle! Ha'way man think before you post, you're being a touch insulting.

I'm not suggesting how much discussion a topic merits I simply pointed out that I was not going to continue what had become a purely two way debate where the other party had nothing new to say, others like your good self can join in as you see fit

Posting 'but you've had the last word within minutes before a poster has the chance to try to have the last word when he now of course has is amusing!

All mods contribute to whatever threads they desire, just like you, they are all contributors, all volunteers and without them there would be no board. Mod actions take place where mod actions are required entirely separate to that and alongside that.
 
Hilarious part is I’ll get a ban in a minute for daring to disagree with a mod. Sad state of affairs that we can’t even raise and discuss genuine points, and notable that he’s ignored the other 5-6 posters who’ve pointed out the same thing on this thread too. Was a good debate too earlier in the thread until he got involved.

Wasn’t the full second half of your last three posts completely irrelevant to the RB debate and just a personal attack at me? If that isn’t deflection I don’t know what is.

It was a good thread in the view of Hamilton fans until Hamilton stopped winning and others refused to adopt the same position as yourself as '5-6 posters have stated' (easy that isn't it!) - QED. Funny you haven't been warned, banned or inhibited in anyway, but that doesn't stop you playing the victim somehow.

To avoid bumping up the post count in ping-pong fashion - in the English language 'you' in a conversation between two people can mean the conversation between the two people - if you want to add the words 'between us' feel free. It is a message board not a legal exchange, so forgive the lack of clarity - I could edit the post, but that would be a mod action so as that is a distinction that concerns you I'll just clarify here.
 
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It was a good thread in the view of Hamilton fans until Hamilton stopped winning and others refused to adopt the same position as yourself as '5-6 posters have stated' (easy that isn't it!) - QED. Funny you haven't been warned, banned or inhibited in anyway, but that doesn't stop you playing the victim somehow.

To avoid bumping up the post count in ping-pong fashion - in the English language 'you' in a conversation between two people can mean the conversation between the two people - if you want to add the words 'between us' feel free. It is a message board not a legal exchange, so forgive the lack of clarity - I could edit the post, but that would be a mod action so as that is a distinction that concerns you I'll just clarify here.
You really don’t post the board as a whole in a good light as a representative speaking in such a patronising manner to other posters. Your post doesn’t even say anything, just rambles in a desperate attempt to get the last word, so I’m out - feel free to stick an “okay” after this and accept the victory points you desperately crave. I’ll happily move along and discuss F1 with people who want to discuss it for it’s merits and demerits - enjoy kidda
 
There's been 12/13 races, Redbull won every single race
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mercedes wasn't this dominate back in the days.
And when MB were dominating, there was always another car and driver capable of challenging them. This Red Bull is in a different class, as was the MB W11 (I think) which prompted the FIA to change the rules to benefit rake cars.
 
Yes but it was fine while Merc were winning every race
At what point did anyone say it was? I seem to recall the FIA changing the regs every 30 seconds for 6 years until they managed to get another team into a position to challenge for a WDC - then changed the SC rules to actually let them win it. Same as Ferrari and Brawn in the past, they’ve always actively made changes to reign the leader in, and rightly so, but seem exempt from doing so thus far with RB in the lead
 
Honestly , it was a straight dig at you. I don't think you would watch the sport of RB were not in it as it's all you go on about. Everyone had to follow the same rules. By all means I get people wanting the rules to change to make the sport closer , but I've a feeling you just want RB banned for life so you can watch sir Lewis win every weekend?
 

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