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Couple of issues the FIA need to tackle.

Not only in 2021 did they gain an advantage, but how that advantage is relating to this years supreme performance.

I would love to think they will dock them points for 2021, but i cant see them doing it. The only other punishment that will allow others to catch up is to seriously reduce their budget for the next couple of years, 50% should do it. But that needs to be 50% on development, not staff.
 
Couple of issues the FIA need to tackle.

Not only in 2021 did they gain an advantage, but how that advantage is relating to this years supreme performance.

I would love to think they will dock them points for 2021, but i cant see them doing it. The only other punishment that will allow others to catch up is to seriously reduce their budget for the next couple of years, 50% should do it. But that needs to be 50% on development, not staff.

No chance any of that is going to happen when they've already told everyone since inception of the cap that < 5% is a minor offence imo.
 
Any chances the 2022 World Champion might be Charles Leclerc? 2021 is put to bed, but I’m sure Binotto would like to save the performances they’ve thrown away this season with a drivers or constructors trophy?
2021 should not be put to bed. Other sports change results, strip medals for infringmenrs to rules found later ( in some cases years later), whats so special about F1?
Couple of issues the FIA need to tackle.

Not only in 2021 did they gain an advantage, but how that advantage is relating to this years supreme performance.

I would love to think they will dock them points for 2021, but i cant see them doing it. The only other punishment that will allow others to catch up is to seriously reduce their budget for the next couple of years, 50% should do it. But that needs to be 50% on development, not staff.
A 5 sec time pen for Abu Dhabi is a small penalty in itself. Each race is stand alone and championship not won on one race result. Sorted.
 
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No chance any of that is going to happen when they've already told everyone since inception of the cap that < 5% is a minor offence imo.
But the first of the listed penalties for a minor breach is docking of drivers' or constructors' championship points. So no reason why they can't, and especially no reason why they shouldn't given that it now appears both deliberate and as though RBR lied about it.
 
But the first of the listed penalties for a minor breach is docking of drivers' or constructors' championship points. So no reason why they can't, and especially no reason why they shouldn't given that it now appears both deliberate and as though RBR lied about it.

That's not limiting them to 50% cap for a season though.

And we all know they won't be docking championships for it or a major would have to be something like a total ban which is never going to happen.

They've just made a clusterfuck of it as per and haven't really committed to much at all in terms of punishment. There's not even a need for a 5% cut off if <5% can dock championships.

I've a feeling they stuck the 5% in as they expected a load to go over with it being the first year and they didn't want to be throwing punishments all over so gives themselves leeway to slap wrists instead.
 
That's not limiting them to 50% cap for a season though.

And we all know they won't be docking championships for it or a major would have to be something like a total ban which is never going to happen.

They've just made a clusterfuck of it as per and haven't really committed to much at all in terms of punishment. There's not even a need for a 5% cut off if <5% can dock championships.

I've a feeling they stuck the 5% in as they expected a load to go over with it being the first year and they didn't want to be throwing punishments all over so gives themselves leeway to slap wrists instead.
This is why it's such an almighty clusterfuck, they've written a leeway into the rules, but then any breach also suggests a points deduction, just in varying severity. With the addition of an option to reduce wind tunnel time, spending etc it just becomes a nightmare to decide what punishment is appropriate. The punishments should have been black and white from the start.

I suspect you're right about the 5% tier being there for that reason, if 3 or 4 teams had strayed over and 1 or 2 took the piss, they had the perfect opportunity to punish them properly. What they didn't expect was that only one team would cheat and that they would have been the most controversial champion since 1994.
 
Fantasy F1 thread now. Reality check:

The FIA statement added: A procedural breach is not an overspend, but rather a failure to fill in forms correctly. Williams were also found guilty of this and fined $25,000 earlier this year.

It would appear that as the FIA did not see Williams infringement as an overspend they were fined, surely then Aston Martin and RBR having both committed the same offence will be looking at the same punishment.
 
This is why it's such an almighty clusterfuck, they've written a leeway into the rules, but then any breach also suggests a points deduction, just in varying severity. With the addition of an option to reduce wind tunnel time, spending etc it just becomes a nightmare to decide what punishment is appropriate. The punishments should have been black and white from the start.

I suspect you're right about the 5% tier being there for that reason, if 3 or 4 teams had strayed over and 1 or 2 took the piss, they had the perfect opportunity to punish them properly. What they didn't expect was that only one team would cheat and that they would have been the most controversial champion since 1994.

Clear rules will always help. But three or four DID stray (3 so far) and none it seems took the piss even if it was preferred that they did by their opponents.
 
Fantasy F1 thread now. Reality check:

The FIA statement added: A procedural breach is not an overspend, but rather a failure to fill in forms correctly. Williams were also found guilty of this and fined $25,000 earlier this year.

It would appear that as the FIA did not see Williams infringement as an overspend they were fined, surely then Aston Martin and RBR having both committed the same offence will be looking at the same punishment.
Not quite, Williams, Aston Martin and RBR all committed a procedural breach, but RBR also committed an overspend breach, or to put it another way, they cheated.
 
Fantasy F1 thread now. Reality check:

The FIA statement added: A procedural breach is not an overspend, but rather a failure to fill in forms correctly. Williams were also found guilty of this and fined $25,000 earlier this year.

It would appear that as the FIA did not see Williams infringement as an overspend they were fined, surely then Aston Martin and RBR having both committed the same offence will be looking at the same punishment.
RBR have been done for overspend and the procedural brief so back to your reality check
Clear rules will always help. But three or four DID stray (3 so far) and none it seems took the piss even if it was preferred that they did by their opponents.
None have strayed man stop being a total wum
 
Not quite, Williams, Aston Martin and RBR all committed a procedural breach, but RBR also committed an overspend breach, or to put it another way, they cheated.

Fair enough if that's the case, I'm just in and only read Andrew Benson's report on the BBC, the man who refused to refer to MV as Champion in any text. He seems to suggest all three are the same - is there more to come that we don't know about 'officially' yet - if so we're just back to speculation for now.
 
RBR have been done for overspend and the procedural brief so back to your reality check

None have strayed man stop being a total wum

I was quoting another poster who you are presumably calling a WUM - strange. Or is it simply majority rule and any opposition is automativcally a wum, which is, of course, a pathetic suggestion.
 
Fantasy F1 thread now. Reality check:

The FIA statement added: A procedural breach is not an overspend, but rather a failure to fill in forms correctly. Williams were also found guilty of this and fined $25,000 earlier this year.

It would appear that as the FIA did not see Williams infringement as an overspend they were fined, surely then Aston Martin and RBR having both committed the same offence will be looking at the same punishment.
It would appear you are wrong
 
Again, for clarity from an official source.


Hope this isn't deleted again.

That was deleted.

Liar. The post that was deleted was not that as you are aware but was aggressive. It is deleted but still exists, not the start of a debate on that point.

It would appear you are wrong

Well, like I say, fair enough, so why would the BBC's leading F1 writer, so praised on here, report that as from the FIA if it is wrong (I know not the answer to this).

Red Bull found guilty of breaking F1's budget cap
 
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Liar. The post that was deleted was not that as you are aware but was aggressive. It is deleted but still exists, not the start of a debate on that point.



Well, like I say, fair enough, so why would the BBC's leading F1 writer, so praised on here, report that as from the FIA if it is wrong (I know not the answer to this).

Red Bull found guilty of breaking F1's budget cap
He says the same thing the FIA did, that RBR breached the cost cap, as opposed to just a procedural issue.
 
Liar. The post that was deleted was not that as you are aware but was aggressive. It is deleted but still exists, not the start of a debate on that point.



Well, like I say, fair enough, so why would the BBC's leading F1 writer, so praised on here, report that as from the FIA if it is wrong (I know not the answer to this).

Red Bull found guilty of breaking F1's budget cap
I suggest you read your own link.

3rd paragraph

‘This means the team exceeded the cap by less than 5%, or $7.25m.’
 

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