F1 2022


So you’d be ok with Merc and Ferrari now overspending for next year winning everything going but not able to change the results?

If cheating has taken place then it’s absolutely in the best interest of the sport to change the results
That's why the FIA need to be blunt and set out huge punishments for any breaches going forward
 
That's why the FIA need to be blunt and set out huge punishments for any breaches going forward
So now RB are streets ahead due to overspending the FIA better tighten the noose to stop anyone else doing it to catch up.
What a cracking punishment to RB that would be, guaranteeing them the next couple of titles.
 
I think you’re wrong about Toto. He was going down the court route until Lewis stepped in this might just be the thing that tips him over the edge

He’s gone now though so may not have a lot of gravitas in this
Who would Toto/Mercedes sue though, FIA or Red Bull.

They would have to go after the FIA to get the world Championship and that's not going to sit well with the governing body, especially if it runs the risk of folding the sport or financially dedicating it.

If its Red Bull, then all they can get is Money.
 
They have suspected it, going off Lewis’ comments.
Think the best game to play would have been to combine the issues (as there would have been suspicions about the overspend ) and hit the FIA and Red Bull in court which would have been mid year probably !

Discrediting the both in the same process i’d imagine would have given them a decent chance of changing the results of last years championship which i dont think is possible in this process !
 
So your team should get away with it, then if others repeat the same thing they should be DSQ? 😂😂😂😂
So my post relates to what another poster and other posters are believing will be the sanctions/punishments.

Mods -lets not let this thread descend into another Red Bull v Mercedes tit for tat thread.
So now RB are streets ahead due to overspending the FIA better tighten the noose to stop anyone else doing it to catch up.
What a cracking punishment to RB that would be, guaranteeing them the next couple of titles.
Nobody is saying that it's the correct punishment, just what they suspect it will end up being

Think the best game to play would have been to combine the issues (as there would have been suspicions about the overspend ) and hit the FIA and Red Bull in court which would have been mid year probably !

Discrediting the both in the same process i’d imagine would have given them a decent chance of changing the results of last years championship which i dont think is possible in this process !
They already pushed through Massi's sacking, not sure the FIA would be too appreciative of Mercedes harraunging them again.
 
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teams will be looking at this now going well if they just get a fine we'll go slightly over aswell then as it's worth it for the gains etc

they won't touch last season and will probably go with a reduced testing schedule for next season along with a token gesture points deduction given Red Bull are going to 'win' both championships by a mile anyway. can make it look a decent amount on paper but will effect nothing
 
teams will be looking at this now going well if they just get a fine we'll go slightly over aswell then as it's worth it for the gains etc

they won't touch last season and will probably go with a reduced testing schedule for next season along with a token gesture points deduction given Red Bull are going to 'win' both championships by a mile anyway. can make it look a decent amount on paper but will effect nothing

If they hadn't brought in this 5% minor rule from the outset any over spending should be punished with point dock really but the 5% seems like a preemptive 'if anyone goes over a bit we aren' t really arsed too much so have a fine or something instead'
 
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Yes, let’s try and deflect away from a debate when you have no leg to stand on. You are on a public forum established to debate things. Either discuss things properly or don’t bother being here.

Why would it be appropriate to punish merc hypothetically with a points deduction if they breached next year but let Red Bull off this year? Care to explain your rationale?

Mods will be coming for you if you question @scotch and his view again mate, be warned!
That would also open up a massive legal minefield if it's a weak punishment for RBR now but a significant one next time someone breaches it. The next team would be able to take the FIA to court and win easily citing the precedent of a soft penalty now. It would be particularly ironic given the FIA's love of precedent when giving out penalties if they try and avoid this particular one setting one for the future.
 
That would also open up a massive legal minefield if it's a weak punishment for RBR now but a significant one next time someone breaches it. The next team would be able to take the FIA to court and win easily citing the precedent of a soft penalty now. It would be particularly ironic given the FIA's love of precedent when giving out penalties if they try and avoid this particular one setting one for the future.

< 5% lenient punishment. > 5% strict punishment seems to be how they have set it up.

I think they will end up getting rid of the 5% threshold at some point, mind and say it was something to do with a softer launch of the cap and transistion etc.
 
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Any chances the 2022 World Champion might be Charles Leclerc? 2021 is put to bed, but I’m sure Binotto would like to save the performances they’ve thrown away this season with a drivers or constructors trophy?
 
Let’s be honest here we all know nothing is going to happen.

The FIA are the laughing stock of sports governing bodies.

Imagine a similar situation in a Champions League final where the final whistle is blown and no one knows who has won.

Utterly embarrassing.
I'm not even sure they will announce the punishment before the season ends tbh
 
Think the best game to play would have been to combine the issues (as there would have been suspicions about the overspend ) and hit the FIA and Red Bull in court which would have been mid year probably !

Discrediting the both in the same process i’d imagine would have given them a decent chance of changing the results of last years championship which i dont think is possible in this process !
Cant see any other way to punish them.

But we also need to see what the overspend is, might not be as much as reported. Although a minor breach can be up to £7.5 million.
 
Let’s be honest here we all know nothing is going to happen.

The FIA are the laughing stock of sports governing bodies.

Imagine a similar situation in a Champions League final where the final whistle is blown and no one knows who has won.

Utterly embarrassing.
True, we all know they're working on sweeping it under the carpet, but it's an interesting debate none the less. Even with only a fraction of the information available to us, it shows what a minefield they would have to go through if they weren't bent as a 9 bob note.
 

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