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Just been listening to Chris Medland on the radio who thinks the spend will have gone on the development of this years car and not last so expects nowt to happen with last years title even though it was under last years costings. Also under 5% which is classed as minor.

Seen anywhere between 1 and 5 million online.

When the cap came out iirc < 5% was classed as minor and had anything from a fine to championship points docked. My bets are in limited wind tunnel time for next season tbh.
And from what I read on BBC Red Bull and the FIA can come to an agreement on the punishment. If they dont agree that's when Red Bull would have to go down the legal route.
Serious questions need to be asked,
If Aston Martin breached the budget cap to have an advantage over 8 other teams, how come they were still so rubbish last season and this one...
 
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And from what I read on BBC Red Bull and the FIA can come to an agreement on the punishment. If they dont agree that's when Red Bull would have to go down the legal route.
Serious questions need to be asked,
If Aston Martin breached the budget cap to have an advantage over 8 other teams, how come they were still so rubbish last season and this one...
Vettel and Stroll ?
 
He was saying the accounts are from last year but they spent most of that year developing this years car so it's this years car that see's the benefit of the overspend.


That was the reasoning for the 5% 'mimor' bracket at the time wasn't it?
FIA seem to be saying in their statement along the lines of there being 'unclear' issues relating to the cost cap and what's is included and how for when etc...
Kind of reminds me of Brawn with the double diffuser row, with the loophole etc..
 
FIA seem to be saying in their statement along the lines of there being 'unclear' issues relating to the cost cap and what's is included and how for when etc...
Kind of reminds me of Brawn with the double diffuser row, with the loophole etc..
I think interpreting parts is entirely different to going over budget mind.
 
And from what I read on BBC Red Bull and the FIA can come to an agreement on the punishment. If they dont agree that's when Red Bull would have to go down the legal route.
Serious questions need to be asked,
If Aston Martin breached the budget cap to have an advantage over 8 other teams, how come they were still so rubbish last season and this one...

I think that might be just if it's a minor (<5%)?

I think a major will have seen them docked points and a minor won't be much more than a slap on the wrists ie fine/wind tunnel limit etc. The minor rule was brought in to allow a bit of leeway for stuff like this imo so they will get off on it really.

Aston Martin wasn't a budget cap breach. They were under the cap. Apparently Williams had a similar breach (procedural) earlier in the season although I've totally missed it so I've no idea what caused it or what happened with it.
 
Cant be legitimate world champion this year if they broke costs last year and are deemed to have won it last year because of said costs as the development of this years car was included in last year's budget.
So it's either 2x World Champion or 0x World Champion.

Personal view is that he's a 2x World Champion and the FIA need to get there act together to stop scenarios like this dragging out, we are at the end of the 22 season and only now are they finding the results of the 21 cost cap budget.
It is far too late to change anything meaningful for last season or this season without it going down the legal route and dragging out till the end of next season at least.
The sport and more importantly FIA dont want that happening.

I strongly suspect both teams will be fined, reprimanded and given lower testing limits with potential constructor points and subsequent prize money for both last season and this season taken away.
FIA will then set out a clearer guideline for any potential budget cap breach.

Ferrari and Mercedes will kick off but neither will go down the legal route (Ferrari dont exactly have a case given their engine from a few years ago) because it is not in the sports interest to drag it through the mud.

None of this would make it right but it's an absolute mess and the FIA have only themselves to blame for that last lap last season
So you’d be ok with Merc and Ferrari now overspending for next year winning everything going but not able to change the results?

If cheating has taken place then it’s absolutely in the best interest of the sport to change the results
 
Just been listening to Chris Medland on the radio who thinks the spend will have gone on the development of this years car and not last so expects nowt to happen with last years title even though it was under last years costings. Also under 5% which is classed as minor.

Seen anywhere between 1 and 5 million online.

When the cap came out iirc < 5% was classed as minor and had anything from a fine to championship points docked. My bets are in limited wind tunnel time for next season tbh.

You can argue it both ways though they shouldn't have had the car that finished last season or the car that started this season its all 1 pot
 
I think interpreting parts is entirely different to going over budget mind.
It's the context of 'costs for what, when, and into what budget'.

The bottom line is you are either in budget or not.
Just like a car is legal or illegal.

But how you get there is what's up for interpretation and that is what Red Bull will clearly be arguing if the punishment is not to their liking.

Not saying it's right, just making the point, that Red Bull could legitimately believe they are under budget but in fact not be as the FIA are claiming.
 
You can argue it both ways though they shouldn't have had the car that finished last season or the car that started this season its all 1 pot

Aye, I'm not saying otherwise. Just passing on what Medland was saying who knows more about ot than I do, then following up to clarify.

I personally think as it's a minor nowt much will happen from it tbh. Mind, I suspect FIA and RB expected a few teams to go over.
 
Cant be legitimate world champion this year if they broke costs last year and are deemed to have won it last year because of said costs as the development of this years car was included in last year's budget.
So it's either 2x World Champion or 0x World Champion.

Personal view is that he's a 2x World Champion and the FIA need to get there act together to stop scenarios like this dragging out, we are at the end of the 22 season and only now are they finding the results of the 21 cost cap budget.
It is far too late to change anything meaningful for last season or this season without it going down the legal route and dragging out till the end of next season at least.
The sport and more importantly FIA dont want that happening.

I strongly suspect both teams will be fined, reprimanded and given lower testing limits with potential constructor points and subsequent prize money for both last season and this season taken away.
FIA will then set out a clearer guideline for any potential budget cap breach.

Ferrari and Mercedes will kick off but neither will go down the legal route (Ferrari dont exactly have a case given their engine from a few years ago) because it is not in the sports interest to drag it through the mud.

None of this would make it right but it's an absolute mess and the FIA have only themselves to blame for that last lap last season
I think you’re wrong about Toto. He was going down the court route until Lewis stepped in this might just be the thing that tips him over the edge
Someone pass the popcorn…



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He’s gone now though so may not have a lot of gravitas in this
 
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I think you’re wrong about Toto. He was going down the court route until Lewis stepped in this might just be the thing that tips him over the edge

He’s gone now though so may not have a lot of gravitas in this
That’s not just Ross’ personal opinion though. He’s acting as the FIA there and speaking on their behalf. That was the collective FIA view at the time, and it shouldn’t have changed.
 

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