F1 2022


Tell you what mind how the hell does Horner live with himself the smug prick !

He knew all all along they over spent, must have been both wetting himself laughing and sighing the biggest sigh of relief that Toto and Mercedes didnt take the FIA and Masi to court because all of this would have had the chance to come out.

And then he lords their ‘ deserved ‘ success over everyone like they’re worthy of what they’ve been given/achieved

Newey aside the current Red Bull outfit are what/who i’ve hated most in 30 years of following F1

And the FIA will do jack shit about the breach

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Makes you wonder if Mercedes knew about this and have played a very, very long game
 
Just been listening to Chris Medland on the radio who thinks the spend will have gone on the development of this years car and not last so expects nowt to happen with last years title even though it was under last years costings. Also under 5% which is classed as minor.

Seen anywhere between 1 and 5 million online.

When the cap came out iirc < 5% was classed as minor and had anything from a fine to championship points docked. My bets are in limited wind tunnel time for next season tbh.
 
If that quote from Karen is correct that suggests that the allegations are not only true, but the breach was premeditated.
As I said, it wasn't a mistake, they submitted one number, but the FIA say it should be another number. Which is how I'd define fraudulent. Which is "titles taken away" territory.
That was Red Bull's assumption. In real life only 1 team breached it.
Its like that thing you have with right wing politics these days. They are all out there claiming that the other side will do X, Y and Z.

They didn't get these ideas out of thin it, but rather its exactly what they plan to do, or are already doing. They youngun's call it "projection".
The usual red bull fanboys on here are noted by their absence mind 😂😂
Its just not defendable, is it?

They COULD have been decent about it, and submitted the costs with a post-it that said "Ok, we've got 1.2% over budget because covid caused some bother with furlough and sickness pay, and we couldn't adapt in time - hopefully we can figure something out". But no, they appear to have tried to hide it, and certainly lied to public about it.

Throw the whole book.
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They didn't get these ideas out of thin it,
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Thin AIR, of course. Sorry, too late to edit.
 
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Just been listening to Chris Medland on the radio who thinks the spend will have gone on the development of this years car and not last so expects nowt to happen with last years title even though it was under last years costings. Also under 5% which is classed as minor.

Seen anywhere between 1 and 5 million online.

When the cap came out iirc < 5% was classed as minor and had anything from a fine to championship points docked. My bets are in limited wind tunnel time for next season tbh.
That cant be right ….how can they account for a season that is still not finished ?
This time last year Merc had recently done upgrades in order to get back in the fight for the title ?
 
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Fine, followed by a change to rules and punishments which mean it’s a points penalty in future
Can see that coming, given it's the 1st year of these new regs, FIA has pretty much a get out of jail free excuse to go for the fine and set out harsher and more fixed punishments for any breaches in future.
This 1st year will act as more of a warning then any massive punishments I believe
 
That cant be right ….how can they account for a season that is still not finished ?

He was saying the accounts are from last year but they spent most of that year developing this years car so it's this years car that see's the benefit of the overspend.
Can see that coming, given it's the 1st year of these new regs, FIA has pretty much a get out of jail free excuse to go for the fine and set out harsher and more fixed punishments for any breaches in future.
This 1st year will act as more of a warning then any massive punishments I believe

That was the reasoning for the 5% 'mimor' bracket at the time wasn't it?
 
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That cant be right ….how can they account for a season that is still not finished ?
He was saying the accounts are from last year but they spent most of that year developing this years car so it's this years car that see's the benefit of the overspend.


That was the reasoning for the 5% 'mimor' bracket at the time wasn't it?
Still doesnt make sense…..so the main bulk of the cost for this years car is accounted for in last seasons budget….but any upgrades this season are account for in this seasons budget ?
 
Still doesnt make sense…..so the main bulk of the cost for this years car is accounted for in last seasons budget….but any upgrades this season are account for in this seasons budget ?
What are you calling costs? There is R&D costs, which will be included within the previous years costs, but the physical manufacture of parts for the car will be costed from 2023 in this case.

Unless the part is not used until 2023, then the R&D is deferred and only claimed when used.
 
Makes a mockery of having a salary cap if 7 teams are perpared to exceed it in order to gain an advantage

on the plus side…..could justice now be served for Lewis given that Max is noe ( this season ) legitimate world champion ?
Cant be legitimate world champion this year if they broke costs last year and are deemed to have won it last year because of said costs as the development of this years car was included in last year's budget.
So it's either 2x World Champion or 0x World Champion.

Personal view is that he's a 2x World Champion and the FIA need to get there act together to stop scenarios like this dragging out, we are at the end of the 22 season and only now are they finding the results of the 21 cost cap budget.
It is far too late to change anything meaningful for last season or this season without it going down the legal route and dragging out till the end of next season at least.
The sport and more importantly FIA dont want that happening.

I strongly suspect both teams will be fined, reprimanded and given lower testing limits with potential constructor points and subsequent prize money for both last season and this season taken away.
FIA will then set out a clearer guideline for any potential budget cap breach.

Ferrari and Mercedes will kick off but neither will go down the legal route (Ferrari dont exactly have a case given their engine from a few years ago) because it is not in the sports interest to drag it through the mud.

None of this would make it right but it's an absolute mess and the FIA have only themselves to blame for that last lap last season
 
Still doesnt make sense…..so the main bulk of the cost for this years car is accounted for in last seasons budget….but any upgrades this season are account for in this seasons budget ?

Presuming because of the new regs coming in initial development started earlier than normal so spend was made last season then additional spend for this season for the usual upgrades etc. Everyone had to build a brand new car for this year and that fiscal spending was last year. That's what he was inferring anyway.

IIRC Haas pretty much sacked off developing last years car because they didn't have the budget for both.
 
In other news, W Series goes tits…




Another British World Champion… 🍾
I really didnt like the concept of the W Series to start with. Its too late to play catch up by that point.
If you want to create the next generation of women drivers, then invest in the karting system - that's where almost all F1 drivers come from. And men and woman can surely compete equally in karting from ~7 years old?

W Series always felt like a total waste of money
 

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