Extinction Rebellion



CakeLady said:
Why is it a poor argument?
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If you ask most people about a cause they're passionate about, or something that they really believe in, if you put your mind to it, you could usually trip them up and prove them a hypocrite fairly quickly. Christians, vegetarians, free marketeers, conservatives, socialists, Muslims, liberals... Everyone has to operate within the society in which we find ourselves (but they use phones!!), and everyone is only human and humans are inconsistent and imperfect. Doesn't make every cause wrong though.
 
Aituk7 said:
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Our Demands - Extinction Rebellion UK

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Looking at their demands,

Number 1 - Tell the truth, we have this already, our government don't deny climate change, our government don't deny it's man mande, our government is signed up to the Paris protocol which aims for net zero carbon emissions by 2050

Number 2 - Act Now, Net Zero emissions by 2025. This is impossible, however net zero emissions by 2030 is a possibility and something they should lobby for. Their activists should put pressure on MP's to pass the Green New Deal already proposed by parliament which achieves this.

Number 3 - Beyond Politics, Government must create and be led by a citizens assembley on this, never gonna happen, don't know why you'd bother trying.

The bill is what they should put their focus on.
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Simple things like bin the VAT on solar panels.

Give incentives to use electric vehicles, for employees to work from home, to build homes that are ‘eco’.

Promote meat free diets, encourage local food production, force kids to walk to their nearest school.
 
The King of Um said:
If you ask most people about a cause they're passionate about, or something that they really believe in, if you put your mind to it, you could usually trip them up and prove them a hypocrite fairly quickly. Christians, vegetarians, free marketeers, conservatives, socialists, Muslims, liberals... Everyone has to operate within the society in which we find ourselves (but they use phones!!), and everyone is only human and humans are inconsistent and imperfect. Doesn't make every cause wrong though.
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It doesn't make the cause a bad one but people don't want to be lectured and inconvenienced by people that are part of the problem they are campaigning against.
 
CakeLady said:
I notice that there are XR activists from all over the UK joining in..... I wonder how they got to London.... surely it must have been without leaving any carbon footprint? I'm all for saving the planet but this bunch seem rather hypocritical.
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how have you come to the conclusion they’re hypocritical if you don’t know how they got here?
 
Stevie Freestein II said:
Simple things like bin the VAT on solar panels.

Give incentives to use electric vehicles, for employees to work from home, to build homes that are ‘eco’.

Promote meat free diets, encourage local food production, force kids to walk to their nearest school.
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I think being 'eco max' should be a planning condition for all new builds.

I think we should start by promoting a mainly plant based diet to start with by only allow meat products with massively improved welfare standards. I think the last one is a bit harsh on disabled kids though 😉
 
pillars of hercules said:
I think being 'eco max' should be a planning condition for all new builds.

I think we should start by promoting a mainly plant based diet to start with by only allow meat products with massively improved welfare standards. I think the last one is a bit harsh on disabled kids though 😉
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The amount of cars used to take kids to school is hideous. I know that parents have to go to, and return from work but employers could be flexible.

We need to move away from a 9-5 culture.
duff_man said:
Set of brainwashed hippies.
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Christians?
 
duff_man said:
They didn’t think about the environment last week when they hired an old fire engine, drove it around central London before trying, and spectacularly failing, to cover a government building in fake blood.
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how do you know that’s the same folk who are/aren’t travelling miles and miles to London,
 
pillars of hercules said:
My son gets the bus to school from the same place I used to walk from at the same age. It takes around 25 minutes. It's pathetic really
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A lot of the kids in our area walk a fair distance to school, the 11 year olds can walk up to 40 minutes each way.

We didn’t even own a car when we were kids, to be fair it’s conditioned me to always try to walk if I can.
 
Ken Tishtown said:
how do you know that’s the same folk who are/aren’t travelling miles and miles to London,
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It doesn’t matter if it was the same people, those last week were environmental campaigners who were causing unnecessary damage to the climate, today those travelling to London to tell everyone how much we are all killing the planet were contributing to killing the planet.

Brainwashed hypocrites.
 
CakeLady said:
I'm no expert in this subject, but I just can't understand how they can protest against something so strongly yet still live their lives polluting the planet?
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You don't really need to be an expert in the subject to give this some thought and climate change activists don't need to live in a mud hut and crave a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to legitimise what they're saying.
 
Charmless Man said:
Because individual contributions to our Carbon emissions are insignificant in comparison to what these activists believe they can achieve by forcing through policy change, which is ultimately what's needed.

Whether you believe they will achieve their goals or not is irrelevant to the argument (I happen to believe they won't). The point is simply that it's not hypocritical if they're convinced its a small price worth paying.
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If you aren't a vegan I reckon you are on a sticky wicket spouting about this stuff.
Agri business has decimated UK and vast swathes of the world but it is a few fires in the Amazon that gets people riled up. UK should be a bio diverse country with rain forests all over the place but instead it's an ecological desert.
Saying there is little people can do is correct but also a cop out. If you want to change the world you need to change yourself as well.
I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that I need to stop eating meat or animal byproducts if I can say I lived an ethical life. Probably wont though. It's too easy to have a tasty meaty snack.
 
Ken Tishtown said:
how have you come to the conclusion they’re hypocritical if you don’t know how they got here?
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Because, and I would bet a million pounds, that at least 99% of them haven't just walked/cycled to London which are the only ways, surely, not to leave a carbon footprint?
 

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