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Hmmm. Probably only just 'most'.

I'm on a couple of expat forums and there does tend to be a lot of sniping at the country. In many ways I think it's just their attempt at justifying their move abroad.

This has tended to be my experience. People like the quality of life they move to but not the actual practicalities. Obviously, this is only my personal view and no dig at those whose experience might be wider than my own.
 
All sorts of people can have opinions, where they live doesn't make their opinion more or less valid. (ie I'd rather listen to an intelligent foreigner talk about England than an unintelligent native).

I said anyone can have an opinion.It,s not for me or anyone else to stop them.I personally will listen to somone more if they have first hand(And up to date) experience of whatever i am or someone else is taliking about.

If someone asked how women think, then i would listen to a woman more than a man, even if they have an opinion.It depends on the subject does it not?
 
I said anyone can have an opinion.It,s not for me or anyone else to stop them.I personally will listen to somone more if they have first hand(And up to date) experience of whatever i am or someone else is taliking about.

If someone asked how women think, then i would listen to a woman more than a man, even if they have an opinion.It depends on the subject does it not?
You are assuming (kindly) that people who have experience of something will have a relevant opinion (which you can take on board or ignore). I, (less kindly I guess), will listen to a person's opinion, but if I think they are dense, then I may not regard their opinion highly; but it will depend also on how much I know about the subject in question.
 
You are assuming (kindly) that people who have experience of something will have a relevant opinion (which you can take on board or ignore). I, (less kindly I guess), will listen to a person's opinion, but if I think they are dense, then I may not regard their opinion highly; but it will depend also on how much I know about the subject in question.

I almost understood what you were saying there.
 
You are assuming (kindly) that people who have experience of something will have a relevant opinion (which you can take on board or ignore). I, (less kindly I guess), will listen to a person's opinion, but if I think they are dense, then I may not regard their opinion highly; but it will depend also on how much I know about the subject in question.

That,s a nice way of looking at it :lol: If someone comes out with a dense comment(Although many people will treat a dense comment as such, because it,s so far from their own opinion) then i would disregard it myself.

I have an opinion of the tragic events in Japan (An extreme example i know) and what it must be like, but if someone from there gives their opinion (no matter how dense i see the comment) then i will listen as they have first hand experience, and i would have no problem understanding they will know how it feels more than me, who hasn,t.
 
I have an opinion of the tragic events in Japan (An extreme example i know) and what it must be like, but if someone from there gives their opinion (no matter how dense i see the comment) then i will listen as they have first hand experience, and i would have no problem understanding they will know how it feels more than me, who hasn,t.
That's exactly right though, because I guess we have no experience of tsunamis/earthquakes, that we would listen and learn from everybody who had experienced the Japanese catastrophe, whether an educated or ill informed opinion.

However if we did have the experience of a tsunami and then heard opinions of the Japanese one, we would be able to weigh up whether the opinion given was relevant or not, or at least have more ability to judge the opinion.
 
What a shit thread.
I'm guessing this is a whinge about the immigration thread where me and others said you can't have a valid opinion on how immigration is having an effect on the UK as you aren't here.
And that's right.
You can have an opinion on immigration par ce, but you can't have a valid opinion of how it's having an effect now as you aren't here to be affected by it.

15 years ago Toward Road was fullof students, every house was filled with them, now every house is full of immigrants.
A simple example of how things can change an area and make a persons viewpoint less valid depending on how long it is since they lived in that area.
 
That's exactly right though, because I guess we have no experience of tsunamis/earthquakes, that we would listen and learn from everybody who had experienced the Japanese catastrophe, whether an educated or ill informed opinion.

However if we did have the experience of a tsunami and then heard opinions of the Japanese one, we would be able to weigh up whether the opinion given was relevant or not, or at least have more ability to judge the opinion.

But we would base our opinion on the closest thing to it Ie biggest tragedy we have experience of ourselves.

The OP got the hump in the other thread as i (Like others) said his experience if immigration was different to ours.I post totally on my own experiences.I have been told thet are not true, when i know they are.It may be different to THEIR experiences and they are entitled to their opinion, but it doesn,t make my experience false.Just one they have not had to face before.

I think a lot of people(Me included) found it strange that someone so vocal who was commenting on the situation of a certain area was so unwilling to say that they were not actually living in the same sort of areas as others posting.It,s a message board and no one will pin point you out by saying what country you are from.I can give my experinces of where i live in this country and others can give theirs, but if you are commenting from a different country then you are judging from a different experience of it totally as the headline was "Wheres my country gone?" :neutral:

What a shit thread.
I'm guessing this is a whinge about the immigration thread where me and others said you can't have a valid opinion on how immigration is having an effect on the UK as you aren't here.
And that's right.
You can have an opinion on immigration par ce, but you can't have a valid opinion of how it's having an effect now as you aren't here to be affected by it.

15 years ago Toward Road was fullof students, every house was filled with them, now every house is full of immigrants.
A simple example of how things can change an area and make a persons viewpoint less valid depending on how long it is since they lived in that area.

Basically yes.
 
Correct,unlike the immos legal or illegal who get treated no problems.
I ran out of tablets while on a visit a few years back, what a carry on to get a prescription, would only give me 3 tablets, enough till I got back here, cost about £15 all together.

Did you try going to one of these walk-in centres rather than a GP?

I don't think they ask too many questions there - I was in one last week and they treated a charver in front of me who was so off his head he didn't know what planet he was on, never mind what country he lived in.
 
There seems to be a body of thought on the board who say Exiles who do not live in Britain should not have an opinion on any issues which are happening in Britain because they do not live there. Some accept that Exiles can have an opinion but that it is not valid and is irrelevant because it does not directly affect them.
Do people think that in order to have a relevant opinion about issues in Britain that people need to live there ?
Also, should posters who are internal Exiles within Britain and not living in the North East be able to comment on things in the North East such as local politics. If so are their views relevant ?
It's the usual suspects who deny free speech. Life's losers, usually unemployable or in a dead end job. People who like the social skills and balls to move out of their comfort zone and need to be surrounded by people they've known all their lives.
Sad and pathetic in spadefulls.
Usually the ones who do the spouting wont have paid a fraction of the tax I paid before I left. I still pay NI contributions which I'll never avail myself of the so called benefits.
I possess 2 passports and these irrelevent fascists can't do a thing about it
 
I wa asked because the thread you posted on was about what it is like to live in this country with the problems of immigrants etc .everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything.No one can stop you voicing your opinion.My point (And i think others on that thread) was you wouldn't know how it was really like unless you were living amongst it yourself.You may have experience of living in another country with similar problems, but unless it's the same place the comment is about, then it,s not the same.IF you are talking about your experience of living in Spain, then i could have an opinion, but you would know more than me,due to you seeing it day in , day out for yourself.

It,s not a vendetta.More that people can relate others comments more if they have had the pretty much the same for themselves.I don't live in Sunderland anymore, so i would feel a bit of a twat trying to teach people the errror of their ways for the things they have to deal with,.It,s always best to talk about your own experiences, so when you refused (Your perogactive) then people will listen to others in the same boat more so.
This is where you and others of similar mind go wrong. You procrastinate bollocks about people that you don´t know. Therefore your entire stance is based on assumptions.
I think the fact that i am British and lived in Britain for fourty years, twenty four of which were in London gives me a very good understanding of the issues around immigration, work, integration, multiculturalism, etc. Certainly more understanding than someone who has lived their entire life in Sunderland or a village in Durham. Also as an immigrant i experienced first hand some of these issues. Therefore when i am told my views are not valid and irrelevant by a bunch of right wing xenophobes who have a very transparent agenda i get pissed off. These same people keep bleating the same lines out time and again about immigrants and different faiths without ever entering into real discussion or qualifying what they are arguing, but resort to abuse and personal attacks. Just because someone repeats the same lines repeatably does not make those lines true. To try and silence peoples views and opinions simply because they are opposed to yours just shows how shallow your arguments are and smacks of ignorance.
You used the word "Vendetta" (strange choice imo), i don´t think it is, it is more like schoolboy bullying behaviour in which people are shouted down to silence them, in much the same way as the Fascist right wing conduct their politics.

What a shit thread.
I'm guessing this is a whinge about the immigration thread where me and others said you can't have a valid opinion on how immigration is having an effect on the UK as you aren't here.
And that's right.
You can have an opinion on immigration par ce, but you can't have a valid opinion of how it's having an effect now as you aren't here to be affected by it.

15 years ago Toward Road was fullof students, every house was filled with them, now every house is full of immigrants.
A simple example of how things can change an area and make a persons viewpoint less valid depending on how long it is since they lived in that area.

So shit that you felt the need to contribute to it. :oops:

See my posting above.
 
This is where you and others of similar mind go wrong. You procrastinate bollocks about people that you don´t know. Therefore your entire stance is based on assumptions.
I think the fact that i am British and lived in Britain for fourty years, twenty four of which were in London gives me a very good understanding of the issues around immigration, work, integration, multiculturalism, etc. Certainly more understanding than someone who has lived their entire life in Sunderland or a village in Durham. Also as an immigrant i experienced first hand some of these issues. Therefore when i am told my views are not valid and irrelevant by a bunch of right wing xenophobes who have a very transparent agenda i get pissed off. These same people keep bleating the same lines out time and again about immigrants and different faiths without ever entering into real discussion or qualifying what they are arguing, but resort to abuse and personal attacks. Just because someone repeats the same lines repeatably does not make those lines true. To try and silence peoples views and opinions simply because they are opposed to yours just shows how shallow your arguments are and smacks of ignorance.
You used the word "Vendetta" (strange choice imo), i don´t think it is, it is more like schoolboy bullying behaviour in which people are shouted down to silence them, in much the same way as the Fascist right wing conduct their politics.
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You could have lived here all you wanted years back.The point is it,s only the last few years it has really got beyond control.That,s why people were saying you don,t have a full understanding of it here, as it was different when you did live here to what it is now.

Schoolboy bullying? FFS Transparent right wing Fascist conduct blah blah.......

Get a grip.The same people who hate been labelled, end up labeling everyone else. Who the fuck are you to put names like that to me? It,s the average mr Joe who is pissed off with immigration in this country now.Of course groups will latch onto the fact that people are not happy about it, but it doesn,t make everyone who voices their opinion on the matter, the names you said in your post.

You say i base things on assumptions? Is that right? Then why is it you are assuming it is the same here as it was when you lived here? Do you get the irony?
 
You could have lived here all you wanted years back.The point is it,s only the last few years it has really got beyond control.That,s why people were saying you don,t have a full understanding of it here, as it was different when you did live here to what it is now.

Schoolboy bullying? FFS Transparent right wing Fascist conduct blah blah.......

Get a grip.The same people who hate been labelled, end up labeling everyone else. Who the fuck are you to put names like that to me? It,s the average mr Joe who is pissed off with immigration in this country now.Of course groups will latch onto the fact that people are not happy about it, but it doesn,t make everyone who voices their opinion on the matter, the names you said in your post.
Again you start off by making assumptions ! You have no idea how long i hav
You say i base things on assumptions? Is that right? Then why is it you are assuming it is the same here as it was when you lived here? Do you get the irony?
Again you start off by making assumptions ! You have no idea how long i have been out of the country ! It could have been last month for all you know. I´ll bet some of the people who were saying to me "you don´t have a full understanding" have far less experience than me of living in a multicutural community or in their dealings with immigrants.
Your opinion is that "it has really got beyond control". I do not agree with you. Keep repeating your mantra to yourself, it does not make it correct.
Take a look at some of your postings and you may realise why i have come to the conclusion you are a xenophobic rightwinger, it is not an assumption it is a view i have from reading your words. The "average Mr Joes" i meet in Britain thankfully do not share your views.
If you spent more of your time trying to do something positive about the social and economic situation in Britain rather than just moaning it is someone else´s fault you might actually end up happier than you obviously are at the moment. Scapegoating is easy.
Anyway, was that a yes or no to Exiles being able to have a valid and relevant opinion ?
 
Again you start off by making assumptions ! You have no idea how long i have been out of the country ! It could have been last month for all you know. I´ll bet some of the people who were saying to me "you don´t have a full understanding" have far less experience than me of living in a multicutural community or in their dealings with immigrants.
Your opinion is that "it has really got beyond control". I do not agree with you. Keep repeating your mantra to yourself, it does not make it correct.
Take a look at some of your postings and you may realise why i have come to the conclusion you are a xenophobic rightwinger, it is not an assumption it is a view i have from reading your words. The "average Mr Joes" i meet in Britain thankfully do not share your views.
If you spent more of your time trying to do something positive about the social and economic situation in Britain rather than just moaning it is someone else´s fault you might actually end up happier than you obviously are at the moment. Scapegoating is easy.
Anyway, was that a yes or no to Exiles being able to have a valid and relevant opinion ?

If you had been living here recently then it would be ok for you to have an up to date view on it.If you have lived in a place it doesn't affect then again, you wouldn,t know of it,s full impact.You sound like you do have experience of immigration and multicultural living, but not from living here in recent times, so you have a different experience and a bias one as you yourself are an immigrant.How do you fully know the community where you live don,t hate the fact you (And others ) are over there?

If you are as quick to point out my posts (I post a lot to do with this subject, as it is something i feel strongly about, and have seen the vast change for the worse in my community, with my own eyes,no assumptions needed) then peole can be just as quick to point at your posts which makes you more secretive then most on here.You wouldn,t even say what country you lived in, when the title of the thread was Wheres my country Gone? If you gave your opinion of what you had experienced yourself where you live now, and of your experiences of when you did live here, i am sure most would have taken it on board.

You then decided to make another thread crying into your milk about people not listening to you, after you had continually refused to say in what country you even reside in.You are entitled to do that (No matter how strange, as it,s hardly giving your postcode out is it?) but others are then entitled to treat your posts on that subject as watered down to others who are actually experiencing it now.If you can claim(Wrongly) that a am a right wing supporter, then i have come to the conclusion that you are a tit of the highest order. No assumption needed, just going off your previous posts.

Are you an only child by the way? That is an assumption but i am assuming i may be right on that one
 
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It's the usual suspects who deny free speech. Life's losers, usually unemployable or in a dead end job. People who like the social skills and balls to move out of their comfort zone and need to be surrounded by people they've known all their lives.
Sad and pathetic in spadefulls.
Usually the ones who do the spouting wont have paid a fraction of the tax I paid before I left. I still pay NI contributions which I'll never avail myself of the so called benefits.
I possess 2 passports and these irrelevent fascists can't do a thing about it

Good, destroy your British one cos we don't f***ing want you back.
Creep.
 
Good, destroy your British one cos we don't f***ing want you back.
Creep.

Some right mixed up people on here.they don,t fully know where they stand, so they have a higher opinion of themselves than the stature they really command.Sad really.If they are so happy where they have moved to then great,but why do they feel the need to poke their nose in when it no longer concerns them.They then feel the right to label every fucker cos they don,t like been left out, and need the attention. If your so happy, then embrace the local culture and enjoy it, instead of moaning about what it,s like here, when you are no longer part of it.They gave their ticket up to johnny foreigner who is having a whale of a time here.
 
If you had been living here recently then it would be ok for you to have an up to date view on it.If you have lived in a place it doesn't affect then again, you wouldn,t know of it,s full impact.You sound like you do have experience of immigration and multicultural living, but not from living here in recent times, so you have a different experience and a bias one as you yourself are an immigrant.How do you fully know the community where you live don,t hate the fact you (And others ) are over there?

If you are as quick to point out my posts (I post a lot to do with this subject, as it is something i feel strongly about, and have seen the vast change for the worse in my community, with my own eyes,no assumptions needed) then peole can be just as quick to point at your posts which makes you more secretive then most on here.You wouldn,t even say what country you lived in, when the title of the thread was Wheres my country Gone? If you gave your opinion of what you had experienced yourself where you live now, and of your experiences of when you did live here, i am sure most would have taken it on board.

You then decided to make another thread crying into your milk about people not listening to you, after you had continually refused to say in what country you even reside in.You are entitled to do that (No matter how strange, as it,s hardly giving your postcode out is it?) but others are then entitled to treat your posts on that subject as watered down to others who are actually experiencing it now.If you can claim(Wrongly) that a am a right wing supporter, then i have come to the conclusion that you are a tit of the highest order. No assumption needed, just going off your previous posts.

Are you an only child by the way? That is an assumption but i am assuming i may be right on that one

Not easy to make much sense out of that post.

Your assumptions just get worse. One of ten bairns.
 
Some right mixed up people on here.they don,t fully know where they stand, so they have a higher opinion of themselves than the stature they really command.Sad really.If they are so happy where they have moved to then great,but why do they feel the need to poke their nose in when it no longer concerns them.They then feel the right to label every fucker cos they don,t like been left out, and need the attention. If your so happy, then embrace the local culture and enjoy it, instead of moaning about what it,s like here, when you are no longer part of it.They gave their ticket up to johnny foreigner who is having a whale of a time here.



:lol::lol: Have you actually understood what you have been writing in your posts ? Nothing but wall to wall moaning and whinging about the state of Britain :lol::lol:

So i conclude that in answer to the OP you do not think that Exiles are entitled to an opinion about issues in Britain. You should have just said that rather than going off into one (again) blaming "Johnny Foreigner " for all your woes and moans.
 
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