Ex-CIA Pilot - No Planes Hit The Twin Towers


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Because even local corner shops tend to have more CCTV than the pentagon seemed to have that day....
If local businesses had cctv pointing at the external walls of the pentagon, two things, one, it wouldn't be much use catching any shoplifters, and two, I would be amazed it hadn't been confiscated and the proprietors prosecuted years ago.

can you on any level find it difficult to believe the official version of events with this in mind?
I honestly sometimes have difficulty believing the miracle that is evolution leading to the variety of life we see all round us, and whether there's a point to it all. But I know with certainty that it is true because the evidence is completely irrefutable. In a similar way, however difficult you might find it to believe, until you come up with some positive evidence rather than half-baked, wishy-washy questions based purely on your own ignorance, the official version is the only game in town.

they have stated practically the entire plane vaporised on impact.
They haven't.

the world was flat at one point.
It wasn't.
 
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We are expected to beleive that the black box (specifically hardened and positioned/designed to withstand even the most horrific of crashes/impacts) was badly damaged and charred - YET they found an INTACT SEAT from the COCKPIT?

Yeah sure.....
Black box at back of the plane which ended up where all the fuel was burning, cockpit at front punched further through. Next.
 
a jumbo jet impacting the same place would have left a damage footprint completely different, not to mention wreckage everywhere
Oh, how do you know this. Has there been proper research into this? Or have you done your own research with models or perhaps even the real thing? Or is it all just in your head?
 
Oh, how do you know this. Has there been proper research into this? Or have you done your own research with models or perhaps even the real thing? Or is it all just in your head?
I'm positive that exact area of the Pentagon was reinforced not long before this whole incident, was it not? Which could explain why people doubt the impact?
 
yes, unsafe but I'm pretty sure you'd still need to be an expert pilot in order to fly a 757 in that manner, an expert. just a guess
Yes it is just a guess and really you have absolutely no idea what it would take. Most pilots usually say the bigger planes are incredibly easy to fly.

I'm just taking a punt here, bare with me. I'm sure a team of experienced ATC controllers are aware that a 757 could be flown that way, however, it didn't stop the entire office being of the assumption, making a judgement call based on their vast experience, that what they had just witnessed was a military aircraft,

not a novice who could barely control a cessner light aircraft
And you are still completely misinterpreting their amazement that it was being flown like that in civilian airspace at that time.

Explain.
 
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I'm positive that exact area of the Pentagon was reinforced not long before this whole incident, was it not? Which could explain why people doubt the impact?

Reinforced for what though? Had the Pentagon made provisions for a Boeing 757 to be deliberately flown at it's exterior wall at ground floor level, travelling at 500mph? What sort of impact are 'people' doubting?
 
Reinforced for what though? Had the Pentagon made provisions for a Boeing 757 to be deliberately flown at it's exterior wall at ground floor level, travelling at 500mph? What sort of impact are 'people' doubting?

For attacks of any magnitude i guess? With stand a potential war of sorts, I don't know but they did reinforce it. Isn't there a theory that it was a missile? :lol:

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-1.html
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-2.html
 
For attacks of any magnitude i guess? With stand a potential war of sorts, I don't know but they did reinforce it. Isn't there a theory that it was a missile? :lol:

Yes! A large one, that had 64 people inside it, wings with exterior engines, a large rear vertical stabiliser and a nice American Airlines paint job on the side of it.

It was described by a number of eye witnesses, as looking like this...

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Yes! A large one, that had 64 people inside it, wings with exterior engines, a large rear vertical stabiliser and a nice American Airlines paint job on the side of it.

It was described by a number of eye witnesses, as looking like this...

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Wouldn't say I agree with that theory but that is entirely up to you :lol:
 
Regarding the CCTV coverage, I think it's important to mention just how lax US homeland security was in 2001. These lads hadn't been attacked on their own soil for decades and intelligence on the very plan that occurred was sitting on someone's desk at the CIA, having been read and basically ignored. The overall threat was judged as very low - who would dare do it - and the money scaled down accordingly. A crappy CCTV system wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
Aye, unless you specifically want to call these firefighters liars...

Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

So who found the black box/boxes?
Was there 1 box or 2 boxes?
What date and time was/were the box/boxes found?
 
Regarding the CCTV coverage, I think it's important to mention just how lax US homeland security was in 2001. These lads hadn't been attacked on their own soil for decades and intelligence on the very plan that occurred was sitting on someone's desk at the CIA, having been read and basically ignored. The overall threat was judged as very low - who would dare do it - and the money scaled down accordingly. A crappy CCTV system wouldn't surprise me at all.

well that's the issue for the CCTV footage cleared up nicely then.

those 'lads' hadn't been attacked on home soil for decades, apart from:

1980s[edit]
 

1990s[edit]
  • 1990 November 5: Assassination of Meir Kahane by an Egyptian gunman.
  • 1993 January 25: CIA Shooting: Mir Aimal Kasi opened fire to cars waiting at the stop light in front of CIA Headquarters in Langley, VA killing two and injuring three others.
  • 1993 February 26: First World Trade Center bombing killed six and injured 1,000. The attack was carried out by radical Islamist Ramzi Yousef, a member of Al Qaeda.
  • 1993 March 10: David Gunn was murdered by anti-abortion activist Michael F. Griffin.
  • 1994 March 1: The Brooklyn Bridge Shooting occurred when Lebanese-born Rashid Baz shot at a van of Jewish students that was traveling on the Brooklyn Bridge from a visit to Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, killing one and injuring three others.
  • 1994 July 29: Abortion provider John Britton and James Barrett became victims of Reverend Paul Jennings Hill.
  • 1994 December 10: Advertising executive, Thomas J. Mosser, is killed after opening a mail package from the Unabomber, being the second fatality of the mailbomb campaign.
  • 1994 December 30: Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, two receptionists in abortion and family planning clinics, were killed by John Salvi.
  • 1995 April 19: Oklahoma City bombing: A truck bomb shatters the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children. Right-wing terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are convicted in the bombing.
  • 1995 April 24: Timber industry lobbyist, Gilbert P. Murray, is the third and final fatal victim of the Unabomber's mailbomb campaign.
  • 1997 February 24: 69-year-old Palestinian Ali Hassan Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself.[34] A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel.[35]
  • 1999 December 31 An arson fire causes one million dollars in damage and destroys the fourth floor of Michigan State University's Agriculture Hall. In 2008 four people that the government claimed were Earth Liberation Front members were indicted for that incident.[36][37]
2000s[edit]

Statue of Liberty with the World Trade Center on fire on September 11, 2001.



and the evidence was apparently sitting on someones desk in the CIA, that islamic terrorists were about to fly planes into the world trade centre, white house and pentagon, was read and ignored, as in the 20 years previous to 9/11 there had been such little activity of this kind.

so there was no need for the worlds superpower to take with any seriousness the imminent threat against them. so would be no need to have any airforce jets on standby to be scrambled

'crappy' CCTV system.

that you seem to know all that that is laughable, that you actually wrote it down and posted it is embarrassing
 
I still can't believe the gov used planes to attack the towers but decided to use a missile on the pentagon :lol:

So the nutters reckon there was a document highlighting the fact Islamic extremists were going to use planes as flying bombs and the gov just copied the idea and did it themselves instead? :lol:
 
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the evidence was apparently sitting on someones desk in the CIA, that islamic terrorists were about to fly planes into the world trade centre, white house and pentagon, was read and ignored, as in the 20 years previous to 9/11 there had been such little activity of this kind.

So if they knew terrorists were about to do it why would the government do it?

Why hijack planes and slam a 'missile' into the pentagon if you have information saying someone else will do it for you :confused:
 
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