Ex-CIA Pilot - No Planes Hit The Twin Towers


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The bodies of those people who got on flight 77 were found at the crash site. Join the dots mate.

How do bodies survive (enough too be identified) if the plane was basically vapourised?
Edit just noticed post above where u mention dna.
 
Do you think the ministry of defence would release their cctv

its the dod - and why shouldn't they, governments are supposed to be transparent and servant to the people

don't you think it would shut everyone up? footage was confiscated from the gas stain and hotel which would clear the whole thing up

instead they release a 5 frame clip from a side angle which actually clearly doesn't show an airliner whatsoever, not unless it invisible
 
One has a longer range than the other thus, they require different engines, the engines found were not those from a 757, but from 727 JT8D.

As for body swapping, there wasn't much of the bodies left, were they not burned beyond recognition? How convenient that the bodies were identified by a military medical group as opposed to actual family members, not only that, their remains (ID cards, wedding rings, etc) were returned in perfect condition, from an impact area that had witnessed complete vaporisation of an aircraft.

Like I say, if this was as planned as we are lead to believe every little detail would have been thought out. Anything that was missed would cause discrepancies that have, for example lead to over half of the American populace to doubt the official account of 9/11.



Branding people a nutter doesn't make you anymore sane, the world was flat at one point.

I'm speechless.

How do bodies survive (enough too be identified) if the plane was basically vapourised?
Edit just noticed post above where u mention dna.

It wasnt vaporised though was it? Bits of plane on the lawn. The landing gear. Engines. Bits of bodies. Etc.
 
The plane wasn't "vapourised" ffs, this is another gem put about maliciously and believed by people who don't question things. A quick visit to Wikipedia is enough to confirm that, even for the laziest among us.

Various pieces of aircraft debris were found within the wreckage at the Pentagon. While on fire and escaping from the Navy Command Center, Lt. Kevin Shaeffer observed a chunk of the aircraft's nose cone and the nose landing gear in the service road between rings B and C.[70] Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit",[71] while paramedics and firefighters located the two black boxes near the punch out hole in the A-E drive,[72] nearly 300 feet (91 m) into the building.[41] The cockpit voice recorder was too badly damaged and charred to retrieve any information,[73] though the flight data recorder yielded useful information.[39]
 
its the dod - and why shouldn't they, governments are supposed to be transparent and servant to the people

don't you think it would shut everyone up? footage was confiscated from the gas stain and hotel which would clear the whole thing up

instead they release a 5 frame clip from a side angle which actually clearly doesn't show an airliner whatsoever, not unless it invisible

No, it wouldn't shut nutters up. The two 757s being seen slamming into the towers hasn't shut the nutters up so why would this be different?

The plane wasn't "vapourised" ffs, this is another gem put about maliciously and believed by people who don't question things. A quick visit to Wikipedia is enough to confirm that, even for the laziest among us.

Various pieces of aircraft debris were found within the wreckage at the Pentagon. While on fire and escaping from the Navy Command Center, Lt. Kevin Shaeffer observed a chunk of the aircraft's nose cone and the nose landing gear in the service road between rings B and C.[70] Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit",[71] while paramedics and firefighters located the two black boxes near the punch out hole in the A-E drive,[72] nearly 300 feet (91 m) into the building.[41] The cockpit voice recorder was too badly damaged and charred to retrieve any information,[73] though the flight data recorder yielded useful information.[39]

All lies apparently marra
 
I'm speechless.



It wasnt vaporised though was it? Bits of plane on the lawn. The landing gear. Engines. Bits of bodies. Etc.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Page 13, point 8a & 8b.

It is possible, I am not saying this is what happened as quite frankly I don't know what to believe re:9/11 but that nefarious government has planned this previously. Good job the Cuba situation died down eh? We might have had a 9/11 sooner than 2001. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, it appears they got what they wanted and more.
 
What did happen then? You must have an alternative. Or are you going to dodge this one and claim you don't know but you're 'just being open minded'?

I believe it was a self orchestrated attack, a modern day pearl harbour - as quoted in a dossier by the 'project for the new american century' PNAC which was completed prior to the end of last century - america's hidden hand and needed atrocities on such a level as the ones were discussing to advance their agenda at the pace they desire.

this conspiracy runs so deep its almost too unbelievable for most people to even consider it could be happening - but its all happening right before our eyes
 
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Page 13, point 8a & 8b.

It is possible, I am not saying this is what happened as quite frankly I don't know what to believe re:9/11 but that nefarious government has planned this previously. Good job the Cuba situation died down eh? We might have had a 9/11 sooner than 2001. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, it appears they got what they wanted and more.

Erm the idea was laughed off in reality and people like you and me know about it ;)

I believe it was a self orchestrated attack, a modern day pearl harbour - as quoted in a dossier by the 'project for the new american century' PNAC which was completed prior to the end of last century - america's hidden hand and needed atrocities on such a level as the ones were discussing to advance their agenda at the pace they desire.

this conspiracy runs so deep its almost too unbelievable for most people to even consider it could be happening - but its all happening right before our eyes

So why did they risk blowing it by using a missile on the pentagon when they already successfully used two planes on the towers?

Who bombed the twin towers in the 90s?
 
The bodies of those people who got on flight 77 were found at the crash site. Join the dots mate.

this is 'official version of events lies' - the media are puppets and will report whatever they are told to support the conspiracy - the reporters etc at the low levels do what they are told, they don't have any choice
 
Do you know how quick a plane travels? You're the type of person that would have said missiles hit the towers if there wasnt footage if it.

Look, if the gov is behind the pentagon attack is behind all the attacks. And if they are. Don't you think they would have used a plane (of which there was clear footage) on the pentagon like they did for both towers? Or do you think the budget was tight so they used a missile instead? Also, how did the bodies of those who boarded flight 77 end up at the crash site if it wasnt flight 77 that hit? If you can give answers to those questions we might at least be getting somewhere.
Do you know how quick a plane travels? You're the type of person that would have said missiles hit the towers if there wasnt footage if it.

Look, if the gov is behind the pentagon attack is behind all the attacks. And if they are. Don't you think they would have used a plane (of which there was clear footage) on the pentagon like they did for both towers? Or do you think the budget was tight so they used a missile instead? Also, how did the bodies of those who boarded flight 77 end up at the crash site if it wasnt flight 77 that hit? If you can give answers to those questions we might at least be getting somewhere.

Here go easy I'm not saying nowt about the person you are about missiles or military planes I've questioned both sides n my main and only real point was to say that it's more than a little strange the FBI confiscated all surrounding CCTV footage tell me why that was done what rational reason would there have been to do that rather than talking wet about how fast a plane moves when there are potentially dozens if not hundreds of other CCTV cameras which am sure could prove it was flight 77 without doubt !
 
Erm the idea was laughed off in reality and people like you and me know about it ;)

What if the idea wasn't laughed off? What if we sit here in 50 years time looking at similarly released documents? I guess we will all still be nutters at that point though, for raising doubts over the various discrepancies. By then they may have rounded us all up and carted us off to a Gulag.

this is 'official version of events lies' - the media are puppets and will report whatever they are told to support the conspiracy - the reporters etc at the low levels do what they are told, they don't have any choice

Hence the reporting of WTC 7 collapse before it had even happened :lol:

Where is the counter for that?

Nutters for questioning the doubtful information or nutters for predicting the future?
 
Here go easy I'm not saying nowt about the person you are about missiles or military planes I've questioned both sides n my main and only real point was to say that it's more than a little strange the FBI confiscated all surrounding CCTV footage tell me why that was done what rational reason would there have been to do that rather than talking wet about how fast a plane moves when there are potentially dozens if not hundreds of other CCTV cameras which am sure could prove it was flight 77 without doubt !

Perhaps it highlights flaws that could expose the pentagon to further attacks?

How do we know cameras really were confiscated? The CT keep telling us that eye witness accounts and reports in the news are all suss and can't be believed so...
 
No, it wouldn't shut nutters up. The two 757s being seen slamming into the towers hasn't shut the nutters up so why would this be different?



All lies apparently marra

whatever hit the WTC, theres witness testimony, actual footage from minutes after the planes hit by eye witnesses saying at least one plane wasn't a commercial airliner

and they were brought down in a controlled demolition
 
if this was a set up thing there would be better footage of the planes hitting the towers

I think that the lack of good photographic evidence actually is more supportive of this happening than if there was photographic evidence being touted about

that would be the first rule of setting up the lie wouldn't it? make sure people see it how you want them to
 
Here go easy I'm not saying nowt about the person you are about missiles or military planes I've questioned both sides n my main and only real point was to say that it's more than a little strange the FBI confiscated all surrounding CCTV footage tell me why that was done what rational reason would there have been to do that rather than talking wet about how fast a plane moves when there are potentially dozens if not hundreds of other CCTV cameras which am sure could prove it was flight 77 without doubt !

what better way would there have been that to roll out the gas station footage, which pouted across the forecourt and directly onto the pentagon - what better way to show all the people of the world an airliner crashed into the pentagon, but instead it was confiscated within minutes
 
Hence the reporting of WTC 7 collapse before it had even happened :lol:

Where is the counter for that?

Nutters for questioning the doubtful information or nutters for predicting the future?

I said that was a bit odd tbf.

But I reckon there will have been reports about it burning or showing signs of collapse. That then got a bit mixed in the confusion and chaos and wrongly reported.

Remember, one new channel was reporting flight 11 was still in the air long after it had crashed.

And before you say that means its dodgy. It doesn't. Unless you can't use anything reported in the news to back your claims either.

what better way would there have been that to roll out the gas station footage, which pouted across the forecourt and directly onto the pentagon - what better way to show all the people of the world an airliner crashed into the pentagon, but instead it was confiscated within minutes

Erm you doubt hijacked 757s hit the towers, despite the whole world seeing it clearly :lol:
 
What if the idea wasn't laughed off? What if we sit here in 50 years time looking at similarly released documents? I guess we will all still be nutters at that point though, for raising doubts over the various discrepancies. By then they may have rounded us all up and carted us off to a Gulag.



Hence the reporting of WTC 7 collapse before it had even happened :lol:

Where is the counter for that?

Nutters for questioning the doubtful information or nutters for predicting the future?

So the BBC are in on the conspiracy now? Just think of the paperwork involved.

I believe it was a self orchestrated attack, a modern day pearl harbour - as quoted in a dossier by the 'project for the new american century' PNAC which was completed prior to the end of last century - america's hidden hand and needed atrocities on such a level as the ones were discussing to advance their agenda at the pace they desire.

this conspiracy runs so deep its almost too unbelievable for most people to even consider it could be happening - but its all happening right before our eyes

You still haven't really committed to what you think happened - did they use missiles on the pentagon? Fake planes? What?
 
I said that was a bit odd tbf.

But I reckon there will have been reports about it burning or showing signs of collapse. That then got a bit mixed in the confusion and chaos and wrongly reported.

Remember, one new channel was reporting flight 11 was still in the air long after it had crashed.

And before you say that means its dodgy. It doesn't. Unless you can't use anything reported in the news to back your claims either.

Okay then, so the collapse of the building, was that controlled to prevent other buildings in the area being effected? Did the demolition crew negotiate the building laying down strategic pieces of explosive so that it would fall in a controlled manner or were they there before the fire?
 
if this was a set up thing there would be better footage of the planes hitting the towers

I think that the lack of good photographic evidence actually is more supportive of this happening than if there was photographic evidence being touted about

that would be the first rule of setting up the lie wouldn't it? make sure people see it how you want them to

exactly which is what the gas station cctv would clear the whole thing up, if only the FBI hadn't confiscated it minutes after
 
The plane wasn't "vapourised" ffs, this is another gem put about maliciously and believed by people who don't question things. A quick visit to Wikipedia is enough to confirm that, even for the laziest among us.

Various pieces of aircraft debris were found within the wreckage at the Pentagon. While on fire and escaping from the Navy Command Center, Lt. Kevin Shaeffer observed a chunk of the aircraft's nose cone and the nose landing gear in the service road between rings B and C.[70] Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit",[71] while paramedics and firefighters located the two black boxes near the punch out hole in the A-E drive,[72] nearly 300 feet (91 m) into the building.[41] The cockpit voice recorder was too badly damaged and charred to retrieve any information,[73] though the flight data recorder yielded useful information.[39]

We are expected to beleive that the black box (specifically hardened and positioned/designed to withstand even the most horrific of crashes/impacts) was badly damaged and charred - YET they found an INTACT SEAT from the COCKPIT?

Yeah sure.....
 
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