Ex-CIA Pilot - No Planes Hit The Twin Towers


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Only made it to page 18 so sorry if seb, but people asking for info on pre rigging etc, some canny interviews out there with WTC employees regarding power downs the weekend prior to the attack, with bomb sniffing dogs removed from the complex.



For what it's worth my opinion on the subject is the US didn't plan the attacks, they were simply complicit. The bush administration at the time was full of people involved with the paper "a new American century". Which pushed for US military in the Middle East, but knew public backing for such an operation would be very low unless a catastrophic event, and I quote "a new pearl harbour" were to take place.

George W Bush didn't cover himself in glory by letting the bin ladens fly home from America on the afternoon of 9/11, also by testifying behind closed doors, not under oath, and also by not doing his best to cease all business relations with the bin laden family in the wake of the attacks.

For the collapse itself, one tower does fall straight down, with the top following perfectly straight, the other however, the top fell off. It's plainly visible.

Back to the OP, the suggestion that planes were not used is ridiculous. Yes, some videos have been doctored, that's open info, as in sound levels increased, background voices inserted etc. I've heard the same woman scream oh my god in at least 4 videos of the second hit for instance, simple audio editing for shock value, it's quite simple for someone to insert an audio clip then upload it to YouTube.
 
The Russians knew what?

The manhattan project secrecy was intended to prevent the Germans from ramping up their atomic program and launching the first A-bomb.

the russians had spys within the project...they knew when it was tested and they were able to develop their own bomb within 4 years thanks to their spys

the main point is...no matter how secret you try to keep things, theres always someone willing to spill the beans..be it for ideology or just plain old money
 
the russians had spys within the project...they knew when it was tested and they were able to develop their own bomb within 4 years thanks to their spys

the main point is...no matter how secret you try to keep things, theres always someone willing to spill the beans..be it for ideology or just plain old money
Sorry like but your point is ridiculous and nonsensical.

The manhattan project was successfully kept under wraps despite 130,000 unwittingly working on it. The general public had no idea, neither did the people actually working on it (well at least 95% of them) and neither did the Germans - which was the point!

As soon as Hiroshima was vaporised the secret was out!
 
Sorry like but your point is ridiculous and nonsensical.

The manhattan project was successfully kept under wraps despite 130,000 unwittingly working on it. The general public had no idea, neither did the people actually working on it (well at least 95% of them) and neither did the Germans - which was the point!

As soon as Hiroshima was vaporised the secret was out!

you see the difference though?
 
If the US Goverment were complicit in some way in 9/11 (and at best there are criminally negligible IMO) then I don't think the argument that 'too many people would have known' is any kind of counter to that.

You only have to look at The Manhattan Project and the scale of personnel involved to see how people can be essentially working like moles in the dark and in full view of what it is they are working on and yet still not have a clue.
Sorry like but your point is ridiculous and nonsensical.
The manhattan project was successfully kept under wraps despite 130,000 unwittingly working on it. The general public had no idea, neither did the people actually working on it (well at least 95% of them) and neither did the Germans - which was the point!
As soon as Hiroshima was vaporised the secret was out!
And as soon as the twin towers were turned to dust ....


Nope, nada, nothing, no secrets came out.
 
its even more unusual to have no whistle blowers...when you look at Edward Snowdon coming out and making tons of stuff available.
 
its even more unusual to have no whistle blowers...when you look at Edward Snowdon coming out and making tons of stuff available.
You should research Operation Ajax and some of the things recently declassified that were denied and kept under wraps for half a century.
 
You should research Operation Ajax and some of the things recently declassified that were denied and kept under wraps for half a century.

The masses of guff on the internet from conspiracy theorists would suggest the American government is doing a piss-poor job of keeping a lid on the events of 911.

But despite millions of people's imaginations running riot, nobody has come up with any actual proof to back up their claims. Which itself would be sufficient to suggest to any normal person that there is no proof.
 
You should research Operation Ajax and some of the things recently declassified that were denied and kept under wraps for half a century.

What is the relevance to 9/11?

Keeping a couple of CIA under wraps is on a canny smaller scale than killing a few thousand people in the middle of Ne York. like
 
Sorry marra, but I dont see how landing a plane succesfully on an Aircraft Carrier can even remotely be compared with crashing a plane into one of the largest buildings on the planet.

Width and length and things of comparable size confuse you, WOW![DOUBLEPOST=1394552756][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'd love to hear your version of that day.
You just simply don't get it do you :rolleyes: I don't know what happened, as does no one in he public domain as there has been a cover up.

I have seen video footage of molten steel pouring from one of the twin towers. I have heard an 'officially verified phone call' saved on an answerphone end with a whisper 'It's a frame', I could go on!
 
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Width and length and things of comparable size confuse you, WOW!
totally different tasks though.

Landing on carrier - you have to control your descent and speed to ensure you dont come down too early, or too late, or too fast.
Hitting aircraft - just point and pray. You are not bothered about speed, hitting it too early or too late, dont have to worry about rates of descent, flaps, anything - just simply hit the thing.
 
Width and length and things of comparable size confuse you, WOW![DOUBLEPOST=1394552756][/DOUBLEPOST]
You just simply don't get it do you :rolleyes: I don't know what happened, as does no one in he public domain as there has been a cover up.

I have seen video footage of molten steel pouring from one of the twin towers. I have heard an 'officially verified phone call' saved on an answerphone end with a whisper 'It's a frame', I could go on!
please do. you must have your theoretical version of events though right? I mean why would you point out you saw molten steel unless you ahd a theory on it.
 
totally different tasks though.

Landing on carrier - you have to control your descent and speed to ensure you dont come down too early, or too late, or too fast.
Hitting aircraft - just point and pray. You are not bothered about speed, hitting it too early or too late, dont have to worry about rates of descent, flaps, anything - just simply hit the thing.

The fact that the aircraft in question were exceeding their low altitude speed design limits by 100knotts which experienced pilots have said would make the planes practically uncontrollable I think drawing parallels is quite right in this instance!
 
You just simply don't get it do you :rolleyes: I don't know what happened, as does no one in he public domain as there has been a cover up.

I have seen video footage of molten steel pouring from one of the twin towers. I have heard an 'officially verified phone call' saved on an answerphone end with a whisper 'It's a frame', I could go on!

Does Professional Mackem know you are trying to claim his spot at the top of the lunatic table?
 
What is the relevance to 9/11?

Keeping a couple of CIA under wraps is on a canny smaller scale than killing a few thousand people in the middle of Ne York. like
You have no idea do you? The amount of people killed in 9/11 pales into insignificance compared to the previous atrocities committed by the US govt.
 
The fact that the aircraft in question were exceeding their low altitude speed design limits by 100knotts which experienced pilots have said would make the planes practically uncontrollable I think drawing parallels is quite right in this instance!

They dont have to control the plane for long, nor worry about any damage to the plane or safety/comfort of passengers.
After all, its going to be ploughing straight into the side of a building in a minute or two's time...
Surely design speeds etc are in place to ensure no damage is done to plane/passenger safety - when you dont care about either you can exceed them surely.[DOUBLEPOST=1394553235][/DOUBLEPOST]
You have no idea do you? The amount of people killed in 9/11 pales into insignificance compared to the previous atrocities committed by the US govt.

Is that true?
How many indians did they kill for example back in the the day?
Or did you mean that they have killed more in the past?
 
I have seen video footage of molten steel pouring from one of the twin towers. I have heard an 'officially verified phone call' saved on an answerphone end with a whisper 'It's a frame', I could go on!
How could you tell from a video that it was molten steel? How could an answering machine message be verified in any official way, what would that even mean? Would "It's a frame" even necessarily mean the whole thing was fabricated? Are you completely doolally?
 
please do. you must have your theoretical version of events though right? I mean why would you point out you saw molten steel unless you ahd a theory on it.

I'd be leaning more toward controlled demolition as the buildings fell at the speed of gravity, as in the towers offered no resistance to the collapse, this strikes me as mighty strange. Especially considering the amount of structural steel involved, logic would say that it would slow the collapse slightly. I think quite a few eminent engineers and scientists think along similar lines but the tinfoil hat brigade get the press from the debunkers.
 
I'd be leaning more toward controlled demolition as the buildings fell at the speed of gravity, as in the towers offered no resistance to the collapse, this strikes me as mighty strange. Especially considering the amount of structural steel involved, logic would say that it would slow the collapse slightly. I think quite a few eminent engineers and scientists think along similar lines but the tinfoil hat brigade get the press from the debunkers.
the speed of gravity. interesting concept.
 
For any theory that involves the idea that it wasn't terrorists who flew planes into the towers and into the Pentagon and a fourth possible target of the White House would require far too many people to keep quiet and complicit in the murder of thousands of people.

If the planes were remote controlled, where were the passengers? Were they still on board, maybe already dead on the plane, or if it were differen planes that hit the towers, did they land the real planes and then do something with the passengers? Kill them anyway, wipe memories and dump them in random places? Just keep holding them?

The "Second Pearl Harbour" theory is possible. But for that to be true, it means terrorists did hijack the planes and crash them. Just requires a smaller number of higher up officials to cock block ommunications and preventative efforts to stop the planes reaching their targets.
As i mentioned earlier in the thread there was a one hour gap between the first plane hitting the tower and a plane slamming into the Pentagon ! Now given the importance of the Pentagon and the fact that it was known there were multiple hijacked planes in the air i am truly amazed that any plane got anywhere near the Pentagon. I know Exile mentioned that there was an exercise going on on the day involving the military airforce i can not believe for a second that there was no aircover for Washington and New York or that there wasn't enough time to arm planes and get them airborne. There are fully armed planes waiting to be scrambled as a matter of course. The military had (and were on the day) trained for just such an eventuality of hijacked planes being used as weapons. I have read that there was confusion as to whether it was part of the exercise or "real life" but would have thought that after planes started going into the twin towers any confusion would have been over.
 
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