Ex-CIA Pilot - No Planes Hit The Twin Towers


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That is if you believe all that is the only explanation for what is happening, and that extremely complex world events don't actually influence things. Try to remember that the people in power are generally ordinary people, just like the rest of us, who have been thrust into these situations and have to make decisions based on their best information, which we of course don't have. It's nice to think you would do things differently and that the world would be a safe, peaceful and prosperous place, but of course in their position you would do pretty much the same, or else we would soon end up in the proverbial post nuclear apocalypse. After all, even Thatcher probably had good intentions and would have been horrified at the type of people she created.

Try not to listen too hard to people on the internet who think they could do better than those who have actually got off their arses and offered their services by standing for election.

you dont actually believe that do you?????????

People like thatcher etc know EXACTLY what they are doing, and why they are doing it.[DOUBLEPOST=1394499060][/DOUBLEPOST]
For the record I would just like to point out that the current coalition are a bunch of evil, greedy murderous bastards, and the sooner we get rid of them the better.

We agree on that point ;)
 
The pilotsfortruth video is an interesting one. Don't state theories, just get into looking at the stated facts, and say the facts are wrong. Either the data is wrong, due to the recording equipment being wrong which has huge implications on commercial air travel if the aviation safety monitoring equipment is wrong. Or the data is wrong becasue it was compiled incorrectly, maybe someone put down the relative altitude speed in the plane down rather than the actual sea level speed it was going. Or the data was falsified, meaning lies and potential conspiracy.

And that's before thinking about the idea that hitting a tower at high speed is meant to be rather hard. Easy for experienced pilots at lower speeds, but damn near impossible to do without being lucky at the top speed. I just assumed hitting a big building with a big plan is easy to do! (of course if the speed data given is wrong for some reason and the planes were going much slower, then the inexperienced hijackers hitting their targets has much higher odds)

The main thing about 9/11 being a conspiracy is that it would take far too many people to pull off that it just would not be kept quiet. Humans are unreliable witnesses, and while the vidoes of hologram planes and the video showing a difference between live news footage and the same footage later with added plane are fun to watch, there is just no doubt at all that planes hit the twin towers, pentagon and crashed in PA.

And even if it was a conspiracy, it's a poorly done one as there seems to be a ton of things disproving the official account!
 
Unskilled, they did the equivalent of landing a plane on an aircraft carrier(that only the most skilled pilots can achieve) but at speeds that a 'normal' plane of that type couldn't achieve at sea level. Nothing to see here, it's all legit, we have been told so.

I'd love to hear your version of that day.
 
The pilotsfortruth video is an interesting one. Don't state theories, just get into looking at the stated facts, and say the facts are wrong. Either the data is wrong, due to the recording equipment being wrong which has huge implications on commercial air travel if the aviation safety monitoring equipment is wrong. Or the data is wrong becasue it was compiled incorrectly, maybe someone put down the relative altitude speed in the plane down rather than the actual sea level speed it was going. Or the data was falsified, meaning lies and potential conspiracy.

And that's before thinking about the idea that hitting a tower at high speed is meant to be rather hard. Easy for experienced pilots at lower speeds, but damn near impossible to do without being lucky at the top speed. I just assumed hitting a big building with a big plan is easy to do! (of course if the speed data given is wrong for some reason and the planes were going much slower, then the inexperienced hijackers hitting their targets has much higher odds)

The main thing about 9/11 being a conspiracy is that it would take far too many people to pull off that it just would not be kept quiet. Humans are unreliable witnesses, and while the vidoes of hologram planes and the video showing a difference between live news footage and the same footage later with added plane are fun to watch, there is just no doubt at all that planes hit the twin towers, pentagon and crashed in PA.

And even if it was a conspiracy, it's a poorly done one as there seems to be a ton of things disproving the official account!

If the US Goverment were complicit in some way in 9/11 (and at best there are criminally negligible IMO) then I don't think the argument that 'too many people would have known' is any kind of counter to that.

You only have to look at The Manhattan Project and the scale of personnel involved to see how people can be essentially working like moles in the dark and in full view of what it is they are working on and yet still not have a clue.
 
Unskilled, they did the equivalent of landing a plane on an aircraft carrier(that only the most skilled pilots can achieve) but at speeds that a 'normal' plane of that type couldn't achieve at sea level. Nothing to see here, it's all legit, we have been told so.
Sorry marra, but I dont see how landing a plane succesfully on an Aircraft Carrier can even remotely be compared with crashing a plane into one of the largest buildings on the planet.
 
Can we merge this thread with the missing plane thread, just so that we can get all of the ill informed speculation about flying stuff in one place?
 
If the US Goverment were complicit in some way in 9/11 (and at best there are criminally negligible IMO) then I don't think the argument that 'too many people would have known' is any kind of counter to that.

You only have to look at The Manhattan Project and the scale of personnel involved to see how people can be essentially working like moles in the dark and in full view of what it is they are working on and yet still not have a clue.
For any theory that involves the idea that it wasn't terrorists who flew planes into the towers and into the Pentagon and a fourth possible target of the White House would require far too many people to keep quiet and complicit in the murder of thousands of people.

If the planes were remote controlled, where were the passengers? Were they still on board, maybe already dead on the plane, or if it were differen planes that hit the towers, did they land the real planes and then do something with the passengers? Kill them anyway, wipe memories and dump them in random places? Just keep holding them?

The "Second Pearl Harbour" theory is possible. But for that to be true, it means terrorists did hijack the planes and crash them. Just requires a smaller number of higher up officials to cock block ommunications and preventative efforts to stop the planes reaching their targets.
 
If the US Goverment were complicit in some way in 9/11 (and at best there are criminally negligible IMO) then I don't think the argument that 'too many people would have known' is any kind of counter to that.

You only have to look at The Manhattan Project and the scale of personnel involved to see how people can be essentially working like moles in the dark and in full view of what it is they are working on and yet still not have a clue.


the russians knew though..somebody always blabs..you cannot keep a secret as long as human beings are involved
 
The Russians knew what?

The manhattan project secrecy was intended to prevent the Germans from ramping up their atomic program and launching the first A-bomb.
 
If the US Goverment were complicit in some way in 9/11 (and at best there are criminally negligible IMO) then I don't think the argument that 'too many people would have known' is any kind of counter to that.

You only have to look at The Manhattan Project and the scale of personnel involved to see how people can be essentially working like moles in the dark and in full view of what it is they are working on and yet still not have a clue.

Compartmentalisation at it's finest. The Secret services of the U.S are renowned for it.
 
For any theory that involves the idea that it wasn't terrorists who flew planes into the towers and into the Pentagon and a fourth possible target of the White House would require far too many people to keep quiet and complicit in the murder of thousands of people.

If the planes were remote controlled, where were the passengers? Were they still on board, maybe already dead on the plane, or if it were differen planes that hit the towers, did they land the real planes and then do something with the passengers? Kill them anyway, wipe memories and dump them in random places? Just keep holding them?

The "Second Pearl Harbour" theory is possible. But for that to be true, it means terrorists did hijack the planes and crash them. Just requires a smaller number of higher up officials to cock block ommunications and preventative efforts to stop the planes reaching their targets.

I don't think anyone seriously believes remote controlled planes were used, come on man. That line is wheeled out time and again just to shut down the debate.

Goverments lie, governments kill other countries people and governments will kill their own people if it fulfills a wider agenda. That much is beyond any doubt.

I have no doubt that the official 9/11 story is far from 100% truthful. It doesn't mean I have tinfoil on my head or believe that man didn't land on the moon. 9/11 put America on a perpetual war footing that conveniently allowed them a moral toehold on the assault for middle eastern oil wealth.

My take on it is that the upper echelons of the CIA were aware an attack of some description was imminent and events were just allowed to unfold and the aftermath manipulated to suit.

Maybe they knew exactly what was coming, maybe they underestimated it, but either way they got what they wanted handed on a plate.

Ditto Pearl Harbour (probably)
Ditto Gulf of Tonkin (definitely)
 
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