Everyone calling for MON's head


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Hang on a minute... HAS he persisted with it?

People on here asked for 4-4-2. They got it. Nowt changed.

People on here asked for McClean to be dropped. They got it. Nowt changed.

People on here asked for Johnson to be moved to the left. They got it. Nowt changed.

People on here asked for Gardner to be moved into midfield. They got. Nowt changed.

Seems to me that everyone has all the answers, until they proved to be phantoms at which point they pretend they never happened.


He played 4-4-2 once, didn't he? Likewise all of the chopping and changing you mentioned has been short lived and erratic. One off trials aren't a real test of something new are they? Another way of taking your comments by the way is that Mon is powerless to enact change for the better. Is that who you want as manager for the club? That was essentially Bruces problem during the barren spells, but I do t recall people standing up for him on the basis that his managerial decisions wern't doing anything. Why is this scenario any different?
 
He played 4-4-2 once, didn't he? Likewise all of the chopping and changing you mentioned has been short lived and erratic. One off trials aren't a real test of something new are they? Another way of taking your comments by the way is that Mon is powerless to enact change for the better. Is that who you want as manager for the club? That was essentially Bruces problem during the barren spells, but I do t recall people standing up for him on the basis that his managerial decisions wern't doing anything. Why is this scenario any different?

Yes and Boro ran us ragged.
 
The pattern is pretty obvious as to why people are suggesting this. Your alternative suggestion seems to be that in spite of any evidence to support the notion things will just get better somehow.

This ^ The lad is mental yet having ago at the realists who are telling it like it is.
 
Yes and Boro ran us ragged.

If you're suggesting that failure of a tactic should mitigate it's use then playing the way we have been for 27 odd games should mean the current plan should be similarly dumped as well. I'm not and don't advocate 442, but it's not like our current negative approach is superior to anything either
 
The pattern is pretty obvious as to why people are suggesting this. Your alternative suggestion seems to be that in spite of any evidence to support the notion things will just get better somehow.

You should have said I'm not panicking like a big girls blouse..;)
 
You should have said I'm not panicking like a big girls blouse..;)

I don't doubt your not panicking but it's a decision you've made rather than a logical response to the facts. And that's fine as well, totally. But it dosent negate the potency of those facts either.
 
I don't doubt your not panicking but it's a decision you've made rather than a logical response to the facts. And that's fine as well, totally. But it dosent negate the potency of those facts either.

If you look at the facts,they aren't as bad as your trying to make out.
 
If you're suggesting that failure of a tactic should mitigate it's use then playing the way we have been for 27 odd games should mean the current plan should be similarly dumped as well. I'm not and don't advocate 442, but it's not like our current negative approach is superior to anything either

I just don't think we have enough quality. I also think O'Neill could change the tactics as much as he likes, I can't see him getting the best out of them now. He'd be changing the tactics out of desperation, not because it's part of a plan and a means to an end.

O'Neill perhaps rather naively said when he was first appointed that he wanted us to play like Barcelona. We all knew we would never actually play like Barcelona but he meant, possession football and playing entertaining football. We do neither.

At the end of last season he highlighted our problems in front of goal and said that we need to be more entertaining to watch. Again, this has not been remedied. We are absolutely shocking to watch, to the point where most of the crowd are bored senseless.

If I'd seen improvements I'd be relatively content and a lot more confident. I've seen no signs of improvement and after only 2 wins in 20 games, I don't think we have enough in us at this point in time to be able to get enough wins to stay up.

If you look at the facts,they aren't as bad as your trying to make out.

True, 2 wins in 20 games is fine form.

How many goals have we scored in that time?
 
He played 4-4-2 once, didn't he? Likewise all of the chopping and changing you mentioned has been short lived and erratic. One off trials aren't a real test of something new are they? Another way of taking your comments by the way is that Mon is powerless to enact change for the better. Is that who you want as manager for the club? That was essentially Bruces problem during the barren spells, but I do t recall people standing up for him on the basis that his managerial decisions wern't doing anything. Why is this scenario any different?

Bruce had 2 years to build HIS squad of players, and then couldn't get them to perform. When MON is in the same boat, I'll judge him similarly.

Until then he needs time and backing, not knee-jerks, tantrums, and blame-gaming.
 
I just don't think we have enough quality. I also think O'Neill could change the tactics as much as he likes, I can't see him getting the best out of them now. He'd be changing the tactics out of desperation, not because it's part of a plan and a means to an end.

O'Neill perhaps rather naively said when he was first appointed that he wanted us to play like Barcelona. We all knew we would never actually play like Barcelona but he meant, possession football and playing entertaining football. We do neither.

At the end of last season he highlighted our problems in front of goal and said that we need to be more entertaining to watch. Again, this has not been remedied. We are absolutely shocking to watch, to the point where most of the crowd are bored senseless.

If I'd seen improvements I'd be relatively content and a lot more confident. I've seen no signs of improvement and after only 2 wins in 20 games, I don't think we have enough in us at this point in time to be able to get enough wins to stay up.



True, 2 wins in 20 games is fine form.

How many goals have we scored in that time?


Look if you want to get down to the depths of Leonard Cohen over the current plight fine,but don't try to drag me into your shite.

We will be fine come May and you can avoid this forum like the plague.
 
I just don't think we have enough quality. I also think O'Neill could change the tactics as much as he likes, I can't see him getting the best out of them now. He'd be changing the tactics out of desperation, not because it's part of a plan and a means to an end.

O'Neill perhaps rather naively said when he was first appointed that he wanted us to play like Barcelona. We all knew we would never actually play like Barcelona but he meant, possession football and playing entertaining football. We do neither.

At the end of last season he highlighted our problems in front of goal and said that we need to be more entertaining to watch. Again, this has not been remedied. We are absolutely shocking to watch, to the point where most of the crowd are bored senseless.

If I'd seen improvements I'd be relatively content and a lot more confident. I've seen no signs of improvement and after only 2 wins in 20 games, I don't think we have enough in us at this point in time to be able to get enough wins to stay up.

True, 2 wins in 20 games is fine form.

How many goals have we scored in that time?

I can't see how well be in anything other than a scrap now. Yes we have average players but they should be nowhere near relegation. The fact that they are and that Mon has also had 20 million to spend in the window is a joke really. You don't have to look far in the PL to find supposedly lesser managers doing fine with ok players and less money.
 
Look if you want to get down to the depths of Leonard Cohen over the current plight fine,but don't try to drag me into your shite.

We will be fine come May and you can avoid this forum like the plague.

What do you base this on? I'm just commenting on how we are currently playing and our recent results.

Home defeats off Villa, West Brom and QPR aren't going to save us.
 
Bruce had 2 years to build HIS squad of players, and then couldn't get them to perform. When MON is in the same boat, I'll judge him similarly.

Until then he needs time and backing, not knee-jerks, tantrums, and blame-gaming.

If his first year had been as bad as this he wouldnt though, and in fact he went as soon as his form was as bad. He also inherited a worse squad than Mon and finished 13th. Mon also had a summer and funds to make changes, he's also given contracts to a good group of those he Inherited, it's not like he's standing on the fence as far as building a team goes, the process is in motion.




My basic contention is that a manager who has managed poorly for nearly thirty games and done little to arrest that deserves less time than a manager treading water or progressing. Also, that a manager who presides over such poor form is maybe just not very good at managing in that context, and so won't suddenly see a turn in fortune because the poor results and his management are linked.

Why do you think things will improve? It's pretty clear as to why were doing so badly, yet none of those things are really changing for the better, so beyond simply just hoping that things will improve because that would be nice, what are you holding on to?
 
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Yes, I've noticed that too. Their sole reason for it seems to be that Brian Clough was better with Peter Taylor. :lol:

Or oneill admitted to robertson being responsible for the counter attacking side of our training? Co incidentally thats the part of our game thats letting us down so badly
 
What do you base this on? I'm just commenting on how we are currently playing and our recent results.

Home defeats off Villa, West Brom and QPR aren't going to save us.

Home defeat off QPR??

Here lies the problem with your thinking..;)


Just leave the fucker at that..:)
 
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We are only 3 points behind Liverpool (12th) with a game in hand.

Our form has been terrible, but I can't believe that people have been so critical of a man of O'Neill's stature after such a short period of time at the club.
 
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