Everyone calling for MON's head


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So what wholesale changes would you make?



True, but they had a couple of very big and mobile units sat in front of their back four in Diakite and Mbia. Something we certainly lack.

Fair point. Ultimately I'm not sure I want to see a "couple of big units" stuck in the middle for us mind. :-D
 
People on here asked for Johnson to be moved to the left. They got it. Nowt changed.

Agree with most of your post but not the above. Johnson looks orders of magnitude worse on the right hand side.

If his first year had been as bad as this he wouldnt though, and in fact he went as soon as his form was as bad...My basic contention is that a manager who has managed poorly for nearly thirty games and done little to arrest that deserves less time than a manager treading water or progressing.

This.
 
Need to wind their necks in. You're making our club look very classless indeed.

We are not a club that hound out manager's. We don't need to start now.

Yes we are having a lean period atm, but if we all stick together we can come through this bad patch.

KTF. That is all.

You weren't around when Reid had a pint thrown over him then......:lol::lol::lol:
 
They aren't caveats they're facts, they're details.

They're explanations behind why despite being "equal" in your eyes to Bruce he is in fact worse when you look more closely.

They're are some basic errors that nearly everyone here can see, for example, playing midfielders in RB/LB positions despite having fit defenders at the club. Playing so deep as to invite the opposition onto you, compounded by having the least amount of attacking desire in all four divisions.

I think it is you who is blinded ... by MON love.

I'd love nothing more than for "something" to click and for this to be a blip but there is no evidence to support the blip theory but there is actual evidence to support the fact that MON has lost whatever it was he had when he first arrived, a wave of optimism and that wave crashed at the Everton cup game last season.

You appear to be saying that it's wrong to play a midfielder in a defensive position, even if he's better than the defender in that position. Is this what you're saying i.e. it was wrong to play Richardson or Colback at LB when we had Ringo on the books? Is it wrong to be play Rose, too, I mean, he's a midfielder who was converted to a fullback, when we have Bramble available?
 
You appear to be saying that it's wrong to play a midfielder in a defensive position, even if he's better than the defender in that position. Is this what you're saying i.e. it was wrong to play Richardson or Colback at LB when we had Ringo on the books? Is it wrong to be play Rose, too, I mean, he's a midfielder who was converted to a fullback, when we have Bramble available?

For me, playing players out of their natural positions is absolutely fine if they do a better job there than the players who are supposedly specialists in that area.

Which is why I would advocate Danny Rose playing centre midfield. He is doing a fine job at left back but I think he would bring far more to the team in the centre of the park than Larsson, Gardner or Colback.
 
For me, playing players out of their natural positions is absolutely fine if they do a better job there than the players who are supposedly specialists in that area.

Which is why I would advocate Danny Rose playing centre midfield. He is doing a fine job at left back but I think he would bring far more to the team in the centre of the park than Larsson, Gardner or Colback.

I'd be tempted by Colback at LB, Rose at CM. Having said that, I'd be tempted by Kilgallon in CM, too.
 
I'd be tempted by Colback at LB, Rose at CM. Having said that, I'd be tempted by Kilgallon in CM, too.

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Don't be daft man.

For either player have any experience playing there?

We have Vaughan on the bench who is a central midfielder.

I'd play a three of Vaughan Colback and Larsson with Johnson on one flank and Sess on the other.

Gardner in to right back and keep Rose at left back.
 
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Don't be daft man.

For either player have any experience playing there?

We have Vaughan on the bench who is a central midfielder.

I'd play a three of Vaughan Colback and Larsson with Johnson on one flank and Sess on the other.

Gardner in to right back and keep Rose at left back.

Rose has played in midfield and the change from CB to holding midfielder isn't that big a leap. It happens quite a lot, in both directions.
 
good post, when your every move is being harshly criticised it becomes parylising, we found that under keane

It's not harsh though is it? 95% of the criticism on here is perfectly valid and most of the people saying it are more than happy to praise when it's deserved.

The ones you need to watch are the ones who do nothing but criticise or nothing but ignore what's going wrong, some veering from one to the other depending on whether they like the manager or not.

I like MoN and want him to stay but it's a bag of shite at the moment unfortunately. How does he get back to that initial run of form?
 
It's not harsh though is it? 95% of the criticism on here is perfectly valid and most of the people saying it are more than happy to praise when it's deserved.

The ones you need to watch are the ones who do nothing but criticise or nothing but ignore what's going wrong, some veering from one to the other depending on whether they like the manager or not.


I like MoN and want him to stay but it's a bag of shite at the moment unfortunately. How does he get back to that initial run of form?

Even if they go to the games? Why do you need to watch folk who attend matches, support the club through thick and thin and contribute financially to the upkeep of the club?

They pay their money...
 
It's not harsh though is it? 95% of the criticism on here is perfectly valid and most of the people saying it are more than happy to praise when it's deserved.

The ones you need to watch are the ones who do nothing but criticise or nothing but ignore what's going wrong, some veering from one to the other depending on whether they like the manager or not.

I like MoN and want him to stay but it's a bag of shite at the moment unfortunately. How does he get back to that initial run of form?

I'm not sure how you get to this conclusion. What if we actually are shite and we've been duped by a freakish run of wonder goals into thinking we aren't? What then? MO'N doing a sterling job of making a poor squad hard to beat and maybe keeping us in the division? The criticism on here is the result of an assumption that the joyous spell in late 2012, early 2013 was the norm, rather than the exception.
 
Even if they go to the games? Why do you need to watch folk who attend matches, support the club through thick and thin and contribute financially to the upkeep of the club?

They pay their money...

Just because someone's in the fortunate position financially and geographically to be able to attend through thin and even thinner, doesn't mean they know anything about football. Do you have to be able to speak Italian to go to the Opera?
 
Just because someone's in the fortunate position financially and geographically to be able to attend through thin and even thinner, doesn't mean they know anything about football. Do you have to be able to speak Italian to go to the Opera?

No, but you do need to see a performance to know how good it was
 
Just because someone's in the fortunate position financially and geographically to be able to attend through thin and even thinner, doesn't mean they know anything about football. Do you have to be able to speak Italian to go to the Opera?

Only for the ones that are in Italian. They don't tend to enforce it for Tannhauser and the like, especially the Dresden version.
 
Even if they go to the games? Why do you need to watch folk who attend matches, support the club through thick and thin and contribute financially to the upkeep of the club?

They pay their money...

Yes that's all well and good. I can't begrudge them that, what I can complain about is when the bile and frustration spills over to the players. Its very counter productive and doesn't help the players one bit. Tues was a fine example of this. They were shit scared at times.

There is a time and place to vent your frustrations, during the match isnt one of them imo like.
 
Yes that's all well and good. I can't begrudge them that, what I can complain about is when the bile and frustration spills over to the players. Its very counter productive and doesn't help the players one bit. Tues was a fine example of this. They were shit scared at times.

There is a time and place to vent your frustrations, during the match isnt one of them imo like.

Don't disagree with that but there were 35 minutes of crap in the second half before the frustration became really vocal. What is the players' excuse before then?
 
Yes that's all well and good. I can't begrudge them that, what I can complain about is when the bile and frustration spills over to the players. Its very counter productive and doesn't help the players one bit. Tues was a fine example of this. They were shit scared at times.

There is a time and place to vent your frustrations, during the match isnt one of them imo like.

This is a cultural problem which goes to the very heart of modern football and society in general, it’s nothing specific to us. People pay a fortune in a dwindling economy to watch people kick a ball around for annual wages more than many of them will earn in a life time. The stakes are very high, people are personally and financially more invested than they have ever been in the game and so their attitude and actions at a game mirrors this. I don’t think it’s helpful, or necessarily unhelpful either, but it is entirely understandable and not for anyone to judge.
 
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