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I reckon De Gea might have saved it if Sigurdsson's not there. If he sees the deflection he has enough time to react to it.


He should have gone with one hand. Too many keepers now think about making the perfect save and pushing it out of danger instead of just keeping it out of the net.

He wouldn't have but it's pointless.

The player on the ground was;
Offside
Clearly in the keepers view
Had to pull his legs out of the way to not touch the ball therefore clearly interfering with play

Why was he sat on the deck for so long anyway, had ample time to get up.
 
He wouldn't have but it's pointless.

The player on the ground was;
Offside
Clearly in the keepers view
Had to pull his legs out of the way to not touch the ball therefore clearly interfering with play

Why was he sat on the deck for so long anyway, had ample time to get up.

Watch it back and he hadn't committed fully when the ball struck Maguire. The ball doesn't have a lot of pace on it so there's still a chance he would have been able to adjust.
 
He wouldn't have but it's pointless.

The player on the ground was;
Offside
Clearly in the keepers view
Had to pull his legs out of the way to not touch the ball therefore clearly interfering with play

Why was he sat on the deck for so long anyway, had ample time to get up.
Think people are missing why he was on the ground wiped out by Wan Bissaka or whatever hes called no penalty given :lol:

 
Don't really have a problem with that offside decision tbh. He was right in the way and interfering with play.

Certainly not clear cut anyway.
 
I was listening to Andy Gray and Alladyce earlier and they were spot on the officials simply haven't a clue because they havent played the game.

Fans just want commom sense officiating - why are ex professional players not getting gigs in officiating or trained in VAR?

Theres a reason why no English ref gets a gig in the world cup and its because they are garbage.
That first paragraph is a load of shite, like. It's becoming increasingly common for managers who have little to no experience of playing the game at a good level to become successful. Klopp, Mourinho, Nagelsmann. Referees will probably have played or still play football to some standard, so why shouldn't they know the rules? Gray is bit of a f***ing prick in truth, I certainly wouldn't be using him as a cornerstone for my arguments about discipline and game management.
 
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Didn't see it tbh. Have only seen the offside decision. I'm only on page 4 so if someone has put the clip up I'll have a look.
The clip is just a few posts back he gets wiped out after taking a shot anywhere else on the pitch that a free kick and yellow card

The ref is from errrmmm Manchester
 
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Exactly its a f***ing disgrace im fuming with that when will people learn its 1 rule for Liverpool&Utd and one for another the TV money see's to it.

Just seen a good point in twitter for all you “always the big clubs get the decisions wah wah” types.

Calvert-Lewin’s equaliser at Old Trafford earlier this season was a blatant foul on De Gea but VAR allowed it to stand.

 
Well fuck me I must be wrong if I'm agreeing with you because I'd say Sigurdsson is clearly in De Gea's view when the ball is deflected. Tihs is the important bit in the OR section quoted further down this post. Is this the reason why VAR must now see Sigurdsson 'offside' as it affects De Gea's reaction time due to not having the full view of the path of the ball. Just because De Gea possibly won't save it shouldn't matter should it?


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:edit: I see this rule regarding a deflection off an opponent in the FA Rules is probably why it was ruled out. It's not when the shot was taken but it's probably due to the fact Sigurdsson was interferring with De Gea's line of vision at the point of the deflection, regardless of whether De Gea would have saved it or not doesn't matter. I've highlighted the parts of the rules I think come into play due to the line of vision at the time of the deflection.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
  • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
  • interfering with an opponent by:
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
  • challenging an opponent for the ball or
  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
  • gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
  • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent


^^^ This ^^^

Siggurdsson was obviously interfering with play, not only in De Gea's eyeline but he had to do a dummy and move his feet to allow the ball to continue it's path.
 
The clip is just a few posts back he gets wiped out after taking a shot anywhere else on the pitch that a free kick and yellow card

The ref is from errrmmm Manchester
Clearly catches him after the ball has gone like. I'm not defending the use of VAR here. I'd have stuck with the initial onfield decisions in both cases.
 
Its a tough one, a bit like non deliberate handball. There was literally nothing he could have done to get himself onside & he was trying to get away from the ball.

The disallowed Leicester goal against Norwich on Friday was harsh as the defender knocked it on with his arm onto Iheanacho's hand and there was no clear advantage for the striker.

By the letter of the law though it was rightly ruled a non goal. Same as this one as it would probably have been given a goal of Siggurdsson was out of the picture but he was interfering with play so rightly a non goal.
 
^^^ This ^^^

Siggurdsson was obviously interfering with play, not only in De Gea's eyeline but he had to do a dummy and move his feet to allow the ball to continue it's path.
This is also clear as day.
The disallowed Leicester goal against Norwich on Friday was harsh as the defender knocked it on with his arm onto Iheanacho's hand and there was no clear advantage for the striker.

By the letter of the law though it was rightly ruled a non goal. Same as this one as it would probably have been given a goal of Siggurdsson was out of the picture but he was interfering with play so rightly a non goal.
The new handball rule is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen like. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? :lol:
 
Bitter?

Too right we have been robbed blind by the officials all season.

1. Had 2 VAR reviewed decisions go against us and later resulting in the FA apologising to us as they were "incorrect" :rolleyes:

2. Not had a single penalty awarded all season despite a few stonewall ones

3. Had players given soft sendings off yet had the likes of TAA and Robertson stamp all over us in the derby without so much as a booking

And now today its infuriating when as a fan you just want some consistency and common sense.
Moving his legs out of the way meant he was involved in the play.
No bigger cheat in the Premier League than Richarlison.You must agree with me on that.
 
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