Everton bid £18m for Sunderland defender Lamine Kone


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It's all well and good talking about it being good business, but IMO it paints us as small time, a club that sells its better players on and never aspires to having a first XI to be proud of.

You can't just stay on this merry go round of selling your star players and bringing in replacements who might do a similar job. You end up treading water at best, relegated at worst.

There is no bright side to the likes of Kone leaving. Simple as that.
Yes, we move on, pointless crying about it etc. but it'd be a very bad indication to me that this is how the club will always be run.
It doesn't paint us as small time, virtually every team in the league does the same thing.
 
20MIL for Kone is actually great business, 4x profit in 16 games, you like to think the club are confident enough that they can find an able (or better replacement) for less money leaving cash to spare for other signings.

They say hindsight is a beautiful thing but I have a feeling we might look back on this as a great deal.
Not at this minute in time. How long has it taken for us to get a cb in who can stay fit, has 6+ years left at his peak.

Let's look at some names Kilgallon, Brown(Absolutely best CB that was on our books but missed 2.5 seasons out of 4) Carlos Cuellar, Da Silva, Vergini, Oshea(good in spells but always poor when playing alongside someone he has to talk through the game), Bramble, Ferdinand, Mensah(class but wasnt ours also see Brown) Turner (quality until he did his knee in, never the same after that). Kaboul (best CB when fit potentially see Browm). So I wonder why people are kicking off that probably the best centre back we've signed for a decade when you consider the full picture is probably getting sold for a quick 8-10m profit at a time we're after stability and building a team for a minimum of mid table finishes and we basically weaken a team that finished 17th!!
 
We have McNair and o'shea. It's the one position we now have reasonable depth at.

Sorry,don't agree. JoS isn't up to it,we've seen that. McNair might be,but probably not yet. What are either of those going to do when they've got the likes of Aguerro,Alexi Sanchez,Kane,Payet et al running at them? We don't have reasonable depth anywhere in the current squad,even with Kone. It's woefully light all over the pitch,apart from goalie.
 
Sorry,don't agree. JoS isn't up to it,we've seen that. McNair might be,but probably not yet. What are either of those going to do when they've got the likes of Aguerro,Alexi Sanchez,Kane,Payet et al running at them? We don't have reasonable depth anywhere in the current squad,even with Kone. It's woefully light all over the pitch,apart from goalie.
No way we are going to have 5 centre backs. O'shea and McNair are decent cover for our level tbh. I doubt you will find much better 4 th choice at any other bottom half club.
 
Caulkin now saying there's an "unexpected" hold up to the deal which means that the Mags may have to wait until next week to get Galloway on loan.

wonder what the hold up is.
 
I agree. I like Kone and he had some fantastic games last season and likely we would have went down without him but he had a couple of stinkers in that run including against Chelsea where we looked far more comfortable when O'Shea came on. Everyone is going on like he is the best centre half in the world. He isn't which is why at 27 he was still playing for a poor French team and only signed for us.

Still want him to stay though.
He's alright like but nowt flash.

Worth keeping to save disruption but i'm not desperate, begging him to stay on twitter and that.
 
This is where we need to trust our highly rated manager. Otherwise we could have re-hired Steve Bruce to moan at.
Based on the fact we've just spent £6m on two unproven kids from Man Utd, and £8m another player that Moyes apparently wasnt even considering, I am not massively confident about what's next. As per, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but expecting not to be.
 
No way we are going to have 5 centre backs. O'shea and McNair are decent cover for our level tbh. I doubt you will find much better 4 th choice at any other bottom half club.

That's why we'll stay bottom half. If Kone goes, we'll have Kaboul ( whose performances improved immensely alongside Kone) and maybe Papy ( who none of us have seen) who can compete at this level. McNair may well have been signed to replace JoS at the end of this season and may not be yet ready. JoS simply isn't good enough.
 
Which clubs have progressed without selling their best players.
Probably only 3/4 in the country if that.
You can't sell your best players in our position. Positions we needed to strengthen this window RB, CF (min of 1 for 1st XI & 1 backup), Winger/AM, CB.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/strengthen
Definition of Strengthen = to make or become stronger (By selling our best CB)

You can keep denying Ellis is running club into ground(as you always do) but if Kone goes it's more proof of his excellent "not a relegation model" policy

PS can you change avatar I actually find myself hating Quinny because of it
 
Based on the fact we've just spent £6m on two unproven kids from Man Utd, and £8m another player that Moyes apparently wasnt even considering, I am not massively confident about what's next. As per, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but expecting not to be.

Step 1: hire a manager at least partly for his ability to judge good transfer deals for players who turn out to be better than anyone expected.

Step 2: moan at new manager for doing what we hired him for
 
That's why we'll stay bottom half. If Kone goes, we'll have Kaboul ( whose performances improved immensely alongside Kone) and maybe Papy ( who none of us have seen) who can compete at this level. McNair may well have been signed to replace JoS at the end of this season and may not be yet ready. JoS simply isn't good enough.
What's your answer then? We keep Kone pay him what he wants and go out and sign another centre back because o'shea isn't up to it?
I can't see any way that we are going to spend £13m on two back up centre backs.
That's before we have even started on the rest of the team.
 
Henderson.......£16m+

Vaughan.....free
Larsson.......free
Gardner......£6m
N'Diaye.......£4m
Gomez.........free
Bridcutt.......£2.5m
Rodwell......£10m
This is one of the many things I hate about this deal. It's typical Sunderland to sell/let go of a quality player and try to replace him on the cheap and find a 'gem' not realising how incompetent we are at doing it.

It's what scares me shitless about M'Vila not happening. And when Moyes said the other week that we had to see if there was better value for the price :lol: :lol: its f***ing 5m (you've just spent that on Paddy Mcfuckingnair.
 
You can't sell your best players in our position. Positions we needed to strengthen this window RB, CF (min of 1 for 1st XI & 1 backup), Winger/AM, CB.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/strengthen
Definition of Strengthen = to make or become stronger (By selling our best CB)

You can keep denying Ellis is running club into ground(as you always do) but if Kone goes it's more proof of his excellent "not a relegation model" policy

PS can you change avatar I actually find myself hating Quinny because of it
You can if you replace them with better. As many other teams have done.
 
No way we are going to have 5 centre backs. O'shea and McNair are decent cover for our level tbh. I doubt you will find much better 4 th choice at any other bottom half club.
Exactly, you won't, but sometimes people are delusional fannies who think you can just have 5 established, peaking CBs on the books, all as good as each other - which is financially and rationally ridiculous. We are Sunderland, we are not going to have to a 25-man squad filled with players as good as those in the starting 11.

We've taken a punt on Djilobodji (no more than we did on Kone, btw) so hopefully he settles in. After that we have Kaboul and O'Shea, tried and tested and vastly experienced (although the latter is ageing, he is still useful cover). Then have McNair, who is a very decent prospect, played quite a few times for Man Utd at a young age and is versatile. After that, Kirchhoff spent most of his career at CB, Love can play there and at a push Rodwell. I think we have enough! You can't account for having 2 or 3 injuries in the every position, and still expect to be unhindered - that's fantasy land. Southampton have been selling their best players every season for years, yet somehow they haven't had a hissy-fit and declared 'there are no other players in the world, we must keep this one!'

We aren't going sign any more CBs, we have plenty. It is the one position in the squad where we do have adequate depth.
 
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