Everton agree Koeman deal


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I wouldn't be too surprised to see someone pay 60m+ for Lukaku, he has to be one of the top strikers in the world for his age. Only thing I would question is his record against the top clubs as I don't think it is the best (I may be wrong however). If he has a good Euros though someone is bound to pay their asking price

As for Koeman, I was surprised it looked as if he was interested in leaving Southampton for Everton but not anymore if the figures are correct on his contract, budget and the new stadium
 
I wouldn't be too surprised to see someone pay 60m+ for Lukaku, he has to be one of the top strikers in the world for his age. Only thing I would question is his record against the top clubs as I don't think it is the best (I may be wrong however). If he has a good Euros though someone is bound to pay their asking price

As for Koeman, I was surprised it looked as if he was interested in leaving Southampton for Everton but not anymore if the figures are correct on his contract, budget and the new stadium

You've made some good points there, but i'd say that if Lukaku was playing for a club who had some belief (and obviously better players) when up against the top clubs, then I think he'd regularly score against those sides. He's done it a bit in the home games, but our away record at the sky 4 is an utter disgrace. We won at Old Trafford when Moyes was in charge, but other than that our last wins against those 4 clubs away came in 1994 (Chelsea), 1996 (Arsenal), 1999 (Liverpool) and 1992 (Man United).

Your second point is fair too, before Moshiri arrived we were on the decline.
 
You've made some good points there, but i'd say that if Lukaku was playing for a club who had some belief (and obviously better players) when up against the top clubs, then I think he'd regularly score against those sides. He's done it a bit in the home games, but our away record at the sky 4 is an utter disgrace. We won at Old Trafford when Moyes was in charge, but other than that our last wins against those 4 clubs away came in 1994 (Chelsea), 1996 (Arsenal), 1999 (Liverpool) and 1992 (Man United).

Your second point is fair too, before Moshiri arrived we were on the decline.

Fair points on Lukaku, his record against top clubs will improve as he gets older and he is playing in a better side either with you or someone else. As much as I rate him I'd be eager to sell for 60/65m like

Everton are a far bigger club than Southampton but that doesn't mean as much as it used to, the potential to get Everton back where they once were was only going to be happen with investment and that is happening so I can see why Koeman wants to jump ship.
 
You've made some good points there, but i'd say that if Lukaku was playing for a club who had some belief (and obviously better players) when up against the top clubs, then I think he'd regularly score against those sides. He's done it a bit in the home games, but our away record at the sky 4 is an utter disgrace. We won at Old Trafford when Moyes was in charge, but other than that our last wins against those 4 clubs away came in 1994 (Chelsea), 1996 (Arsenal), 1999 (Liverpool) and 1992 (Man United).

Your second point is fair too, before Moshiri arrived we were on the decline.

That was when Martinez was manager. Oviedo scored in the last 10 minutes or so, if I recall correctly.
 
There are a couple of good articles that have been written about the change in ambition that seems to have begun with having Moshiri leading things rather than Kenwright. This is a good one:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...-mediocrity-too-long-looks-a-new-age-ambition

In my opinion, Everton as a club have changed considerably since February with Moshiri's arrival. Before then, we were on a downward slide with a poor manager and the hopes of a new stadium in the near future were a deluded dream with having an owner like Kenwright who may love the club, but simply doesn't have the money to compete in this league. On top of that, our best players were destined to leave and we'd become a bottom half outfit, undoing all the hard work David Moyes had done in the 11 years previous.

If you are short sighted like the Leicester fan appears to be, and only consider the most recent season as an indicator for what is to come, then it's probably fair to say that moving from Southampton to Everton is a sideways step at best, but more likely a step down. But things change in football and as I said, the current Everton are not what we were before February.

Since the arrival of Moshiri, the mayor of Liverpool - Joe Anderson, has said that he expects Everton to be in a new stadium within 3 years. That's a huge change in stance from him as pre Moshiri he was actually pretty dismissive of our hopes for a Stadium saying we can't afford one. We've now made a big statement in bringing in Koeman who is a huge name in the footballing world and has done well abroad and now in the English league, whilst we now have a sizeable amount of money to spend. I think Lukaku will go and he will be tough to replace, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Stones stay. A lot of Evertonians, myself included, still have very high hopes for him. Who better than to improve him than Koeman? Martinez certainly wasn't the man to do it.

So we have a core of some very good players, with money to spend, a talented manager and a new stadium on the horizon. It's hard to see why people have written us off as being in such trouble to be honest. Personally I am hoping we can get ourselves back in the top 7 next season and repair the damage Martinez did, and then push on from there.
What went wrong for Martinez? It looked to me as if he'd got it right and then everything inexplicably went to shit. Similar to Bruce with us.
 
Everton's new owner is only worth £1.3 Billion, so I certainly don't think their prospects for next season are any brighter than Southampton's on the surface of things. Or even ours.

They are one of those clubs who might challenge for Europe, but could just as easily do a Mags/Villa
 
What went wrong for Martinez? It looked to me as if he'd got it right and then everything inexplicably went to shit. Similar to Bruce with us.

He believed all the hype about himself when he got us our record points total in the PL era and thought he could do no wrong. Don't get me wrong, he does have some positive qualities, and at times the players let him down. But overall, his inability to accept that the defensive side of the game is equally as important as the attacking side lead to his downfall. He just refused to work on his own weaknesses. And to make things worse he'd attempt to put a positive spin on things and ignored that football is a results based business. Claims that we were some great attacking side were wide of the mark too. We played some dreadful football with pointless passing that got us nowhere.

We were used to far worse teams in the 90's, but for me, none were as frustrating as the past 2 seasons with the players at our disposal and the way he wasted that talent for 2 seasons running.
 
I'm pretty sure our form is better than Everton's in 2016. Is it really that outlandish to suggest we'll finish above them next season?

Hard to imagine we will be as terrible under a manager not named Roberto Martinez. I do think Sunderland finish 9th-11th though whilst I'm expecting us to finish 7th or 8th but with a big points difference between the two clubs.
 
I'm pretty sure our form is better than Everton's in 2016. Is it really that outlandish to suggest we'll finish above them next season?
I think you need to look at the reasons they were poor in the last half of the season You sound even more like a mag after this post if we finish above them it would most likely mean a top half finish for us
 
I think you need to look at the reasons they were poor in the last half of the season You sound even more like a mag after this post

Agree with this like, Everton have a much better squad than us and Koeman is a really good manager plus they will have more to spend. We will hopefully get close to them position wise but they should get a canny few more points than us
 
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