Ethiopian Airlines crash

Discussion in 'SMB' started by Monty Pigeon, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. StripedPaddy

    StripedPaddy Winger

    Was it not the A321 NEO they were competing with Monty?

    TransAtlantic to the US East Coast small market destinations.

    I see the CAA have pulled the trigger!

    Not good for FR with delivery’s due in May

    Monty, on mature reflection the Boeing 737-Max 10 was the main competitor for the A321Neo.

    Airbus had some problems with their latest fly by wire systems back in the day.

    Rest assured these issues will be sorted by Boeing, too much at stake not to.

    Sometimes I feel manufactures push the boundaries too far to gain a competitive advantage.
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  2. SYB_DC

    SYB_DC Winger

    It's really the 320neo, not the 321 that got the MAX launched, but they largely compete across the entire product line. Ironically, that is, except the 321LR, which is the one that's really the transatlantic game changer. The LR was a later-announced derivative of the NEO series and realistically it's a far better airplane than the largest MAX frames. The first versions off the line on both sides of the Atlantic and the bulk of production so far on both sides are the 737-8 MAX and the A320neo. The MAX-9 and 321neo are lesser volume. And the 321LR isn't in service yet.

    Regardless, the right way to think about the MAX and neo is as aircraft families, where planes that are highly common except for fuselage length and occasionally fuel capacity have different designations. Just as with the prior generation of 320 and 737, the manufacturers do the numbering differently, but the competitive lineups look like this:

    737 MAX-7 is approximately equivalent to the A319neo. These are the successors to the A319 and 737-700. They don't sell well.
    737 MAX-8 is the A320neo equivalent. Successors to the 737-800 and A320, which are the best selling frames of all time for both manufacturers. In their new versions, the MAX is slightly larger (think 2 seat rows or so, depending on config).

    At the upper end it gets a little more complicated. There are two upper-end variants of the MAX (the -9 and -10). The -10 is the same size as the A321neo and A321LR (which are the same size as one another). The -9 is two rows shorter than the -10 but has greater range. It still is not in the same ballpark as the 321LR.

    It's not a huge headache for AA. They have 24 MAXes in a fleet of more than 700 narrowbody airplanes, and if they're facing a prolonged grounding they can stop pulling the MD-80s out of the fleet to cover the lift. They also have a huge A321neo order rolling in. It's potentially a larger issue for Southwest given their all-737 fleet and the fact that the planes the -8 MAXes are replacing are much smaller, but they're also a huge airline and could cope. If this had happened 2 years from now, it'd be a different story.
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  3. StripedPaddy

    StripedPaddy Winger

    Thank you for that

    Long way from HS Trident 1/2/3:lol:
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  4. Ireland & France have joined in too. Looks like our overlords are telling us what to do. Sovereignty?! Balderdash!
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  5. AlpineExile

    AlpineExile Striker

    Then there's an Amsterdam to Dublin flight that's going to have some explaining to do when it lands.
  6. yorkyexile

    yorkyexile Striker

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  7. Word on the PPRuNe forum is that all flights already airborne can continue to their destination. If you're on about the KLM flight it isn't a MAX.

    Holland are the latest to ban the MAX 8.

    Apparently two Turkish Airline B737 MAX 8's to LGW & BHX have turned round and are heading back to Istanbul. TK1969 & TK
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  8. townboy

    townboy Winger

    The one to Birmingham was over half way there.

  9. AlpineExile

    AlpineExile Striker

    I think the call-sign indicated a TUI flight.

    The explaining would be to do with them flying through British airspace after leaving the French zone.
  10. The passengers are living on a prayer.
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  11. Could be a repositioning flight as there's no Tui flights due into Dublin today according to flight radar. There was a Tui flight to Manchester that was allowed to continue.

    It's possible that either flight could've already been in UK airspace before they were banned.

    Anyway Tui have now grounded all their MAX 8s.
  12. You have to remember thought, that every important system has redundancy. The vital stuff quite often four fold redundancy.

    When you say influence, you mean brush under the carpet aye?
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  13. Bishop Boy

    Bishop Boy Striker

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  14. townboy

    townboy Winger

    Wonder if they’ll make it or not?
  15. SYB_DC

    SYB_DC Winger

    I swear they will, but it doesn't make a difference.
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  16. It doesn’t make a difference

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  17. AlpineExile

    AlpineExile Striker

    SHOULD HAVE. Looking like the MAX's don't when it comes it MCAS.

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