Equal pay for female footballers?

Sometimes i wonder about people. It's not that people can't have opinions and suggestions but the downright dumbness of the world right now.

Lil Timmy has an orange. Everybody wants that orange so instead of selling it for cheap he charges whatever he likes.

Lil Sally has an apple. Nobodys wants the apple even with sustained promotion of the apple in newspapers to try to make this apple a thing. Sally has to sell the apple for what it's worth.

Fruitcakes.


Nothing stoppping female billionaires from investing and paying for womens football....but they won't women hate other women and it would be up to men to make female football a thing.
 


Fetch Fletch said:
How much does the women's game make in revenue, advertising etc?
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I would estimate that next season in England, somewhere around £5m a year. It'll be the first year of the Barclays WSL deal which is worth about £10m over three years. In addition there's other sponsorships of clubs where the rights re the women's teams have been sold separately from the men's - Liverpool and Arsenal have done this. There's a tiny amount from gate money, but not much. There's sponsorship of the national team too. There's no broadcasting revenue as yet.
 
Lefty Frizzell said:
The standard is so bad. No amount of money will make the sport hugely popular the way it is. I actually feel bad for the goalkeepers, they always make howlers, but its just not their fault, they just arent cut out for massive sized goals. Smaller goals and shrink the pitch a bit and it might be more entertaining.
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Go back and watch men's football from a few decades ago.

The standard was piss poor compared to the current game and that includes the goalkeeping.

Women's football is decades behind the men's game thanks to the dinosaurs at the F.A.

The standard will continue to improve though, just as the standard of the men's game has.
 
janiep said:
I would estimate that next season in England, somewhere around £5m a year. It'll be the first year of the Barclays WSL deal which is worth about £10m over three years. In addition there's other sponsorships of clubs where the rights re the women's teams have been sold separately from the men's - Liverpool and Arsenal have done this. There's a tiny amount from gate money, but not much. There's sponsorship of the national team too. There's no broadcasting revenue as yet.
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@Fletch compare that to the costs of running it:

Total WSL costs - estimate £20m
England team costs - estimate £5m

I've left grassroots out of both the income and expenditure calculation as income is significantly boosted by lottery funding via Sport England, and as with all grassroots sport it's not really a revenue generator.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
You could argue that a lot of men's professional teams are fortunate to exist given that their clubs make regular losses.
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Most of the premier league makes money. You make a fair point that plenty of teams lower down the pyramid make losses, but that's not really a good argument for paying women footballers the same as men and seeing every women's team struggle massively. Equally most sides in the league can be sustainable if they cut their cloth accordingly, but one of the ways they do that is by offering lower wages the lower you get down the pyramid. There's no way most women's teams could survive if they were forced to have huge wage bills to compete with men's teams who have massive revenue, and there's no way the revenue will increase to such an extent as to make it possible because, currently, TV companies simply won't pay much for the rights because not many watch.
 
Absolutley not. Any half decent Sunday League side would turn over the top ladies teams. Should they be paid equally as well?
 
This is why the challenge right now is to build a sustainable model for the game, and the immediate priority is to get more money in. To do that yes we need role models: club teams and a national team we can all believe in and enjoy, and that means full time professionals, and that means paying them fairly (which isn't the same as paying them the same as men - once again men aren't the issue here).

So you speculate to accumulate, which is what the game in England is doing right now.
 
Biffo The Bear said:
Equal prize money for competitions that attract fewer paying customers, fewer viewers on worldwide TV and thus attract way less sponsorship revenue?
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One of the reasons it attracts fewer viewers is that it hasn't been promoted particularly well until relatively recently.

If it's not properly promoted, it won't attract an audience and therefore won't attract sponsorship and it will continue to lose money.
 
Female porn stars get paid more than their male equivalents. Why? Cos they generate the larger revenue - same situation in football.

This snowflake, equality obsessed generation regardless of actual reality is everything that’s wrong with the world.

Viva le difference!
 
Far Tibetan Mountain said:
Unfortunately the argument against is usually dominated by mysoginists, which dampens the point somewhat, but why should the male game have higher prize money than the female game?

Women's World Cup: Fifa 'entrenched in chauvinism' over prize money, says Hope Solo

Until the standard increases (which it is doing at a rate which is alarming the people who wish to be over protectionist of the mens game,) it is barmy to suggest that female players should receive equal pay, but the argument for equal prize money is surely valid.
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So why should League 1 players be paid less than Premiership? Coz they're not as good? Same as lasses. Sorry but it's a fact. Political correctness can not overcome nature's limitations. In other walks of life where you use your brain, I'm all for equality. If I ruled the world, I'd ban all males from politics. Can of worms opened....
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
Go back and watch men's football from a few decades ago.

The standard was piss poor compared to the current game and that includes the goalkeeping.

Women's football is decades behind the men's game thanks to the dinosaurs at the F.A.

The standard will continue to improve though, just as the standard of the men's game has.
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How many lasses do you know that play football at grass roots level? How many men? When I were a lad, it seemed that every fucker I knew (all male, obvs.) played Sunday morning football, often Saturday afternoons as well for a different team. I have never met a female footballer. Not one. You can't sell something at a premium that is a minority interest.
 
And if we can all go back to Hope Solo's comments in the OP's article, she isn't calling for equal pay for male and female players. She is talking specifically about World Cup prize money which goes to national associations, and not directly to players.

So everyone getting outraged just calm down.
 
janiep said:
The reality is that often it's only big clubs can put in the needed investment. It costs somewhere between £1m and £3.5m a year to run a WSL team. There's a discussion to be had about whether this is the right direction of travel with pros and cons on both sides. I'm not convinced it's a 'problem' as you describe, although as noted there's pros and cons.
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It's a 'problem' for the women game because without the finance and facilities (as you've mentioned) which are linked to the men game it wouldn't develop.
 

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