"Entitled to go down"


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I just wish those cards they were giving out were red. It seems the risk vs reward side of it still favours taking a tumble. If this form of cheating were punishable with a red card, it would stop overnight as the risk would be too great. You could take things further and have a longer default ban for cheating, say an automatic 5 match ban if you're sent off for diving. I'm sure players like Bale would miraculously rediscover their ability to stand up.

Nonsense.

Do you really think a ref is going to penalise somebody for diving if he knows he has to give him a red card? They'd be too scared of getting it wrong, and more often than not they probably would.

It'd be chaos.
 
the sunday supplement discussed the bale incident

they stated

it was a penalty
Gardner should have been booked

Gardner committed 2 fouls, 1) with his hand / arm across bale and 2) the knee contact

they said it wasnt a dive

first my point is, the offence is not diving, its simulation, where you do something to make it look worse that it actually is.

they said any contact when running at speed like that would knock him to the ground and therefore a foul.

funny haow a couple of times in the game, he had a good run and shrugged of players when he was at speed. this was actually mentioned on MOTD during the Bale love in.

Press seem to saying now that the smallest contact is a foul (depending on which game they are watching)

this is where terminology depends on your leanings

" yep he made contact definatley a penalty"

"yep he made contact, but got the ball first"

"yep he made contact but there was no intent"

they did agree that the defoe incident was a dive

they keep saying they want consistancy from referees, well how about they start with themselves first.
 
Thankfully referees are noticing it and giving out cards for it. Also think if a player is found to have dived to win a pen then they should get a retrospective ban.

Thing is though,Bale is being very tactfully clever about the situation. By highlighting his supposed injustice he is guaranteeing himself a penalty next time he dives.
 
Nonsense.

Do you really think a ref is going to penalise somebody for diving if he knows he has to give him a red card? They'd be too scared of getting it wrong, and more often than not they probably would.

It'd be chaos.

They could do it afterwards though, there's zero doubt Defoe dived yesterday, ban him for 3 games and he'd think about it a bit more next time

Mind you I think Sess dived half a dozen times yesterday too, the slightest touch is enough to make him go down
 
They could do it afterwards though, there's zero doubt Defoe dived yesterday, ban him for 3 games and he'd think about it a bit more next time

Mind you I think Sess dived half a dozen times yesterday too, the slightest touch is enough to make him go down

Retrospective punishment is a possibility, I agree.

It'd still be difficult mind.
 
Would be virtually impossible. Must be 30 dives a game!

Yep. And so many are too ambiguous. Bale's could easily be interpreted either way, for example.

As for this rugby analogy, it doesn't quite sit right with me as they're supposed to have five 20 stone men hanging off their legs, and even if they wanted to it'd take half of them five minutes to go down.

For another analogy of players not being able to stay on their feet at speed, take a look at the 110m hurdles.
 
The contact/fall should be on an equal footing.

A glancing touch doesn't make a man fall down, if he falls down from a glancing touch, he's diving.
 
It's a lazy phrase that has been dreamt up by total pricks who know nothing about the game.

In short, it's a lame excuse for diving because the authorities tried and failed to stamp it out properly. So what we're left with is professional players feeling contact and going down, or worse, jumping into contact to justify falling over and avoiding a yellow if they don't get a penalty/free kick.

See Bale yesterday against your lot and Liam Ridgewell earlier on in the season.

Retrospective action on a monday morning is the only short term measure we can take, but the spineless FA and referee's committee won't agree to it.
 
Retrospective action on a monday morning is the only short term measure we can take, but the spineless FA and referee's committee won't agree to it.

Again I agree that it would be a much better method than referees doing it on the spot, but who would get punished?

You can't punish Bale yesterday for me; yes he made the most of it and went down like a fairy, but there was a definite clash of knees and could quite easily have been deemed a foul. There was even contact on Ridgewell, even though again he was looking for it and dived initially without there being any contact.

It'd be a very difficult task and the fall out could be immense.
 
It's a lazy phrase that has been dreamt up by total pricks who know nothing about the game.

In short, it's a lame excuse for diving because the authorities tried and failed to stamp it out properly. So what we're left with is professional players feeling contact and going down, or worse, jumping into contact to justify falling over and avoiding a yellow if they don't get a penalty/free kick.

See Bale yesterday against your lot and Liam Ridgewell earlier on in the season.

Retrospective action on a monday morning is the only short term measure we can take, but the spineless FA and referee's committee won't agree to it.

This. There's actually a technique a lot of the so called better players have developed. It involves the none contact leg held stiffly backwards as they fall. Sometimes this either jars against the tackler or even the deck & the falling player looks to have been tripped.

In Joe Bolton's one & only foray into the press he stated that he "didn't like fancy dans":)

Love to see Joe make "contact" with Bale. There'd be fuck all slow motion analysis needed:)
 
When did this come into the game?

If a 6' plus bloke can't shrug off a passing nudge, he shouldn't be playing a physical contact sport.

Entitled my arse.

Walcott and Aguera showing what can be done if you just get on with it and play like a man.

Absolutely agree... nothing annoys me more than these so-called professionals using that term. What a load of utter shite.
 
Nonsense.

Do you really think a ref is going to penalise somebody for diving if he knows he has to give him a red card? They'd be too scared of getting it wrong, and more often than not they probably would.

It'd be chaos.

So do it retrospectively. They have all the camera angles and it can be a joint decision between the 4 officials before they leave the ground.

Any majority decision equals a one match ban for every instance of diving.

Would be virtually impossible. Must be 30 dives a game!

There'd be zero the next game though. And for ever more.
 
Again I agree that it would be a much better method than referees doing it on the spot, but who would get punished?

You can't punish Bale yesterday for me; yes he made the most of it and went down like a fairy, but there was a definite clash of knees and could quite easily have been deemed a foul. There was even contact on Ridgewell, even though again he was looking for it and dived initially without there being any contact.

It'd be a very difficult task and the fall out could be immense.

I don't agree. All it takes is some courage and willingness to act by the FA. They could stop it in a matter of weeks.

The problem is that is goes beyond these shores. In developing this form of cheating, we are allowing British players to compete in International competition where it's the norm.
 
i think he actually started to go down before Gardner had touched him. Gardner tried to stop him falling to hard to the floor :lol:
 
Again I agree that it would be a much better method than referees doing it on the spot, but who would get punished?

You can't punish Bale yesterday for me; yes he made the most of it and went down like a fairy, but there was a definite clash of knees and could quite easily have been deemed a foul. There was even contact on Ridgewell, even though again he was looking for it and dived initially without there being any contact.

It'd be a very difficult task and the fall out could be immense.

Personally, i'd take the likes of Bale and Ridgewell to the cleaners. They are cheats and Bale's excuse on MOTD last night was laughable. "I was caught so it was a foul". Wrong. Gardner's arm brushed him and no way was it enough to take him down. What gave it away was that Bale's body movement was already in a downward motion as Gardner was touching him. Arguably, Gardner shouldn't have put his arm out but no way is that a reason to go down. It's cheating.

There's too much money involved in the game nowadays for it not to be taken seriously and dealt with.

We have the technology to do so but I fear we don't have the desire to do so in the right places in the game.
 
The 'there was no contact so it can't be a foul' brigade are more annoying, imo.

You wouldn't thinking of Tony Pulis by any chance? - Always complains when his players are penalised if the opponent has to take evasive action to avoid leg breakers from Huth or Shawcross.

I actually feel a little bit sorry for referees - players like Bale (and Defoe) make it very difficult for them - so it is probably time to give them more help by bringing in retrospective punishment for cheating.

The real difficulty is where players ensure that they make contact with the defender - Bale could easily have avoided Gardener - but made sure he glanced against him - it's already been mentioned that he rides tackles like that elsewhere with little difficulty.

We need pundits or interviewers to have a bit more brains and/or balls to challenge players on the issue.
 
:neutral: Not sure what you're implying there.

You'd like to see him take Bale out?

No, I just watch in despair as the game I used to love is gradually being turned into a girls game. I don't want to see a return to the days of blatant fouling to succeed (Dirty Leeds!) but I do want to see a full blooded encounter. Diving/simulation is the biggest issue pissing people off watching football. The FA & FIFA have bottled dealing with it & we now have the "there was contact so he has a right to go down" bullshit. If AVB had anything about him he'd be bollocking Bale as he might've scored.

I'm lucky enough to have seen George Best, Stan Bowles etc playing against the Tommy Smiths & Chopper Harris's of this world.

Read Duncan McKenzie's biography a few years back & he admitted diving after a Tommy Smith tackle during a Mersey derby. He apologised to Smith saying "sorry Tommy, I thought you were going to catch me!"

About an hour later he was scythed in half & as Smith helped him up he said "Sorry Duncan, I didn't think I'd catch you there!":-D
 
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