"Entitled to go down"


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They should look at the the times bale decides not to fall over and suddenly becomes the strongest man alive. It's so blatant he dives but his quality means he's untouchable amongst the old, past it, crap, sackless dickheads we have to put up with on the telly.
 
Pundits always say this crap, "If you're running at top speed and you get touched you can't stop going down" really ? So why is it Rugby players run at full pelt get tackled by 18 stone men and stay up ?

Sometimes you can sometimes you can't. The problem seems to be that players, pundits etc now seem to believe if you are touched its a foul and you are "entitled" to go down. Michael Owen was saying as much on twitter a few weeks ago.

It's coming into the game whether we like it or not.
 
Sometimes you can sometimes you can't. The problem seems to be that players, pundits etc now seem to believe if you are touched its a foul and you are "entitled" to go down. Michael Owen was saying as much on twitter a few weeks ago.

It's coming into the game whether we like it or not.

Thankfully referees are noticing it and giving out cards for it. Also think if a player is found to have dived to win a pen then they should get a retrospective ban.
 
Sometimes you can sometimes you can't. The problem seems to be that players, pundits etc now seem to believe if you are touched its a foul and you are "entitled" to go down. Michael Owen was saying as much on twitter a few weeks ago.

It's coming into the game whether we like it or not.

Its the other way round.

If you are touched and don't go down the Ref will probably not give a foul/penalty.

Like Bale and worse Defoe, yesterday, the problem is players are looking for contact and are already going down
 
Thankfully referees are noticing it and giving out cards for it. Also think if a player is found to have dived to win a pen then they should get a retrospective ban.

The problem is a lot of the time it's very difficult to tell conclusively if its a dive or not. From this thread it sounds like pundits on motd thought bales was a penalty.

It's not going to stop.
 
after seeing the reverse angle on tv last night i think it was a pen, but the doubt will always exist with players like bale because of the way he goes down. its always so dramatic and arms and legs flying all over the place and also the fact that he has a history of engineering penalties by throwing his leg into his oppnents and then going down. the doubt will always exist now because referees have seen what he has done in the past. its his own fault that he has a tag of being a diver. he cant have it all ways.
 
Thankfully referees are noticing it and giving out cards for it. Also think if a player is found to have dived to win a pen then they should get a retrospective ban.

I just wish those cards they were giving out were red. It seems the risk vs reward side of it still favours taking a tumble. If this form of cheating were punishable with a red card, it would stop overnight as the risk would be too great. You could take things further and have a longer default ban for cheating, say an automatic 5 match ban if you're sent off for diving. I'm sure players like Bale would miraculously rediscover their ability to stand up.
 
I just wish those cards they were giving out were red. It seems the risk vs reward side of it still favours taking a tumble. If this form of cheating were punishable with a red card, it would stop overnight as the risk would be too great. You could take things further and have a longer default ban for cheating, say an automatic 5 match ban if you're sent off for diving. I'm sure players like Bale would miraculously rediscover their ability to stand up.

Surely any offence is cheating.
 
The problem is a lot of the time it's very difficult to tell conclusively if its a dive or not. From this thread it sounds like pundits on motd thought bales was a penalty.

It's not going to stop.

Really? Remember that the ref did get it right and did book Bale. Good on him I say.

Having watched it again, Bale really does not help his cause. Where was there contact? Either from the arm across his chest or a small amount of knee on knee.

If you are running fast (which Bale was not at this point), and get hit hard enough in the chest to knock you over, you do not dive forward, you go backwards. If your knee gets taken out, you crumple in a heap. You only sprawl forward like that if you have your feet taken.
 
Mistiming a tackle and committing a foul?

By cheating I mean deliberately trying to con the ref to gain an advantage by falsely incriminating another player, not just a run of the mill foul.

What about when a player deliberately fouls a player? He is still trying to gain an advantage. What about players claiming a corner or a throw in when they know it came off them last. It's all cheating it just depends on your perspective. Most of those are now accepted.
 
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I haven't read this thread so please forgive me if I'm making a point that has already been made.

It you try to knock a sportsman over when he is running at full pelt then you have to put in a serious challenge. Makes me sick when I see players falling over under very little pressure. Makes a mockery of the sport.

I know our players do it as well but that's no excuse.

Makes you question why you bother getting worked up about things. Athletes throwing themselves to the floor. What a joke.

The balance that professional sports players have is unbelieveable, allied to the fact that most of them have upper bodies like boxers there is no way that they should hit the deck unless they are wiped out or choose to fall over.

Watch some of the old footy they show on some channels and you'll see players riding the fiercest of challenges on pitches resembling ploughed fields.

Today's players are being 'professional' at best. I prefer to call them diving cheats.
 
What about when a player deliberately fouls a player? He is still trying to gain an advantage. What about players claiming a corner or a throw in when they know it came off them last. It's all cheating it just depends on your perspective. Most of those are now accepted.

well they shouldn't be but its where we are, but committing a clever foul means you could get a yellow and the opposition gets a free kick.

diving can result in a free shot at goal the opposing player sent off, or if you're found out a yellow and a worthless free kick, its worth the risk and its cowardly.

lots of cheating but there has to be a limit to what is gamesmanship and what is proper cheating, if you're caught handling on the line its a red, diving in the box should have the same punishment.
 
The thing about gareth bale is if you attempt to hack him over in the middle of the park, he just brushes off the opposing player with ease......people just bounce off him.....yet as soon as he's in the penalty area he's got the stability of bambi in stilettos.......no the wonder refs think he's trying to con them........

This and this again.

The whole "contact" and "entitled to go down" thing is rubbish. A foul is a foul, if you are fouled and tripped/pushed, then you fall down and get a pen. If you feel a fairy fart brushing your elbow you do not NATURALLY fall to the ground. It's all bull shit and basically cheating. Not every piece of contact is a foul. I f***ing hate what football has become
 
When did this come into the game?

If a 6' plus bloke can't shrug off a passing nudge, he shouldn't be playing a physical contact sport.

Entitled my arse.

Walcott and Aguera showing what can be done if you just get on with it and play like a man.

Couldn't agree more mate. Boils my piss when you hear the so called experts on MOTD comment "there was a definite touch so it was therefore a penalty". Thing is,you know what's coming before they even comment. Never going to happen but I'd love it if just once they'd say " he's dived,he's a cheat and he should be banned.
 
I touched my missus in the box last night but strangely she didn't feel entitled to go down, instead she turned on her side and called me a prick :eek:
 
well they shouldn't be but its where we are, but committing a clever foul means you could get a yellow and the opposition gets a free kick.

diving can result in a free shot at goal the opposing player sent off, or if you're found out a yellow and a worthless free kick, its worth the risk and its cowardly.

lots of cheating but there has to be a limit to what is gamesmanship and what is proper cheating, if you're caught handling on the line its a red, diving in the box should have the same punishment.

I agree to an extent. You say that's where we are but it's where we are going with diving as well. It's already pretty much accepted in the media.

Another problem is how often does a referee give a free kick if a player doesn't go down?
 
We used to take the piss out of the Italians for diving in the 60s and 70s, the only regular player I can remember diving back then was Francis Lee but since all these foreign players came into our game every fucker seems to dive.
 
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