You are comparing him to Stokes and Ali who are all rounders and advocating him as a specialist batsman. If Barstow didn't exist I would have no problem with him playing
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ProfessionalMackem
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Gotta be Morgan at 5 doesnt it?
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DaveAngel
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100% this, struggling for any logical explanation why those players wouldn't play in those positions
For example, why on earth is Bairstow at 5, he scored shed loads at 7, and looked great there
Voice of fair play
Striker
I still think Root should bat at 3, in both tests in the first innings he scored big runs, despite been at the crease very early in the game, something like 4th and 5th over of the game!
He scores runs because he is class act not because of where he is in the order.
As captain and the clear class act he should take that responsibility IMO,
He scores runs because he is class act not because of where he is in the order.
As captain and the clear class act he should take that responsibility IMO,
rentaghost
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Because, it could be argued that we might be able to have a stronger top 5 with Bairstow batting at 5 and someone like Foakes keeping wicket and batting at 8. Bairstow is good enough to bat anywhere from 3 downwards if he doesnt have the extra responsibility of the gloves.
Cook
Stoneman
Jennings for now
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Foakes
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Steak Pie
Striker
Then I'll ask you the same question as I've been asking everytime this comes up. Why are you going out of your way to piss off Jonny Bairstow?
rentaghost
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1) Why would batting at 5 piss off Jonny Bairstow? Quite the opposite I would have thought.
2) If taking the gloves of Jonny Bairstow was believed to be in the best interests of the side then hes certainly a strong enough character to get over it.
I'm not convinced or certain its the right approach, just that there is a reasonable argument for it as our batting is too weak at present.
Steak Pie
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His record since taking the gloves has been phenomenal, it doesn't make any sense to take then off him. And if you don't take my word for it, here's the man him self in two different interviews..........
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Now for the big question: would he score more Test hundreds as a keeper-batsman or as a specialist batsman, say at No 5? Bairstow’s reply was instantaneous: “As a keeper-batter”.
He added: “Keeping wicket takes your mind off. Every sport I’ve played in – fly-half at rugby, centre-midfield at hockey – I’ve been involved in the game all the way through. If you’re in the field all day just thinking about batting, you’ve got nothing else to take your mind off it, and thinking about what you can change to improve, and when you go into the dressing-room you’re still thinking about going out to bat. If my batting wasn’t going well, I’ve still got the option of keeping really well to do something for the team and keep my confidence up.”
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“For the 52nd time in two weeks I do want to keep wicket. Yes. I think this needs to be swept under the table now and put to bed. I think I’ve been asked it too many times.
“As I’ve said numerous times before, I wouldn’t have kept wicket for Yorkshire for seven years if I didn’t want to keep wicket for England. I wouldn’t have put the hours in before Dubai, before South Africa, in South Africa, leading into this season, if I didn’t want to keep wicket.”
If you want to bolster the batting, don't piss off one of the brightest lights in the team and bring in a another 'keeper, bring in another bat.
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DaveAngel
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Bairstow is now the best keeper
Been fantastic with the gloves
He should bat 7
We need a more solid player at 5
You can't have bairstow, stokes, Ali at 5,6,7 as they are too similar
England's best batting lineup in the last few decades was
Cook
Strauss
Trott
KP
Collingwood
Bell
Prior
All great players but that is also so balanced
We need trott and colly characters at 3 n 5, not just more stroke makers, or the same things will keep happening
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rentaghost
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I don't disagree but I think its not quite as easy as that. There are plenty of characters like that such as Compton, Ballance etc but they have to be good enough in the first place. Having Bairstow, Stokes, Ali at 5,6,7 is better than having inferior players. I think Bairstow is capable of playing in any manner but batting at 7 encourages him to be belligerent in the way he plays.
The Breen Machine
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Think 7 is too low for Bairstow personally but it's probably too low for Stokes too, who I don't believe would be as good batting with the tail. Could also argue that 8 is too low for Moeen given his ability with the bat but I do think we need a dependable, gritty batsman at number 5, particularly if Root is going to stay at 4.
Who that person is I don't know, as Ballance is now injured anyway. The sad thing is that we have never successfully filled that spot since Colly retired in 2011, and he's probably still the best man for the job on current form!
I do like the look of Westley at Essex but I'm not sure he would be a good fit at 5. Morgan should be nowhere near the test team, he probably doesn't even know what a red ball looks like these days. IMO, if Scott Borthwick was in any sort of form, he would be a good shout for this...
Who that person is I don't know, as Ballance is now injured anyway. The sad thing is that we have never successfully filled that spot since Colly retired in 2011, and he's probably still the best man for the job on current form!
I do like the look of Westley at Essex but I'm not sure he would be a good fit at 5. Morgan should be nowhere near the test team, he probably doesn't even know what a red ball looks like these days. IMO, if Scott Borthwick was in any sort of form, he would be a good shout for this...
Got a horrible feeling that Dawson is going nowhere - feels like a coach's pick, a bit like Giles was for Fletcher because he was a decent batting option at no.8
Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Dawson
Wood/Roland/Jones
Broad
Anderson
Is what I think we'll see next week
Therein lies the problem - no-one wants to bat at 8 so the selectors are shoe-horning our 3 all-rounders into 5-7 and then bringing in a decent bowler who can bat to pay at 8. Problem is, this leaves us with 6 bowlers which is too many
Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Dawson
Wood/Roland/Jones
Broad
Anderson
Is what I think we'll see next week
Therein lies the problem - no-one wants to bat at 8 so the selectors are shoe-horning our 3 all-rounders into 5-7 and then bringing in a decent bowler who can bat to pay at 8. Problem is, this leaves us with 6 bowlers which is too many
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Ageing trundler
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Agree with that 10 topcat but please not Dawson again. Either Rashid, Samit or one of the Currans at 8. Plan for the Ashes because Dawson shouldn't be anywhere near that squad.
Steak Pie
Striker
I think you're right, Ballance's injury is going to be used to keep Dawson in the side. I've always thought that the core of your side stays solid and you pick horses for course for the rest. Stokes/Bairstow/Ali at 6/7/8 is the powerhouse of the side, I wish they'd stop dicking about with it to accommodate inferior players.
Doesn't hurt that Dawson plays for Bransgroveshire. #FTECB
I was pushing for Liam Livingstone to be fast tracked into the side last year, so I would be picking him for the next game. He's picked up the captaincy at Lancs after about 20 first class games. I'm telling you, this kid has it. And he's a proper middle order bat.
I said on the other thread, pick the best bowler for the surface. But if they picked the fastest bowler on the County circuit with an eye on The Ashes, I think we'd all be right behind it.
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DaveAngel
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He looked completely lost in those 20/20 games mind, overwhelmed
Steak Pie
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He broke through in Lancs one day team so everyone thinks he's a hitter. He's not, he's a proper bat. Twice the player Habeeb is IMO.
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DaveAngel
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He's aggressive though. I'd just like a few more "normal" batsman, not like Compton style, but who can work it around a bit.
A Colly-esque batsman is what we have missed since he retired.
I reckon that's what they'll pick. If it were up to me Dawson would be nowhere near the squad
Steak Pie
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He's got power but can play grinding innings' no problem, see his match winner v Somerset at OT a few weeks ago. The experience is starting to build up.
The fact that we're talking about this, and speculating the batting line up would have two debutants and one player with 4 caps, you have to wonder how the hell we got ourselves into this mess.
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Third Test
England squad:
Joe Root (Yorkshire, captain)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
James Anderson (Lancashire)
Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Alastair Cook (Essex)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Keaton Jennings (Durham)
Dawid Malan (Middlesex)
Toby Roland-Jones (Middlesex)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Tom Westley (Essex)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Third Test
England squad:
Joe Root (Yorkshire, captain)
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
James Anderson (Lancashire)
Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Alastair Cook (Essex)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Keaton Jennings (Durham)
Dawid Malan (Middlesex)
Toby Roland-Jones (Middlesex)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Tom Westley (Essex)
Mark Wood (Durham)
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