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Out of 19 world cups they've reached the semi final or better 13 times.
9 out of 13 euros they've reached semi finals or better.

Ultimate tournament team. The mentality has been there for generations. The German FA are clearly very competent when it comes to national team affairs and they just do things right.
But in the last world cup they came bottom of a relatively easy group. I'm not worried about how good Germany have been historically, this Germany side are perfectly beatable. Like I say, bit of a 50/50. I reckon those who are ultra confident that the Germans will win aren't exactly hoying a fortune on it at the bookies
 
No reason why not. If we don’t it will be nerves that do us as technically, we are much better than 2010 when we played them. They will however be better than their group games
 
But in the last world cup they came bottom of a relatively easy group. I'm not worried about how good Germany have been historically, this Germany side are perfectly beatable. Like I say, bit of a 50/50. I reckon those who are ultra confident that the Germans will win aren't exactly hoying a fortune on it at the bookies

In Euro 2000 they came bottom of the group with 1 point. They scraped world cup qualification via the play offs after losing to England 5-1.
They reached the world cup final in 2002.

2004 euros exited at the group stage.
2006 world cup semi finalists though.


The world's most consistent tournament team.
 
Out of the 15 world cups we've been part of we've reached 3 semi finals.

In the 9 euros we've been part of we've reached 2 semi finals.

So what though? The principles that have been behind previous German successes aren't in this team. They lack structure and defensive solidity. There's no clear identity. They've been reliant on individual brilliance and mistakes to see them through. Last night Low did the Steve Bruce method of bringing on every attacking player he has and it worked.

England have not been great so far, but we do have a clear philosophy and structure in place. I don't think we're going to get to the final with our eleven and setup currently, but one thing that international tournaments have shown us is that a collective and cohesive approach will beat individuals 99 times out of 100.

We should win this game and we need to ask serious questions if we don't.
 
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In Euro 2000 they came bottom of the group with 1 point. They scraped world cup qualification via the play offs after losing to England 5-1.
They reached the world cup final in 2002.

2004 euros exited at the group stage.
2006 world cup semi finalists though.


The world's most consistent tournament team.
You're still looking back though. "They're German" isn't really a good reason to be overly worried. I've said it could go either way, which it obviously could. I don't think the fact they've previously bounced back from disappointment 15 years ago means a thing now though
 
Aren't the world rankings England 4th and Germany 16th? Should be a walkover
Personally think we'll win but lose to Denmark in the semis
 
You're still looking back though. "They're German" isn't really a good reason to be overly worried. I've said it could go either way, which it obviously could. I don't think the fact they've previously bounced back from disappointment 15 years ago means a thing now though

England have a fantastic squad of players, and I think they are capable of beating any team if they click. But having watched them in the group stage they haven't looked convincing to me.
Aren't the world rankings England 4th and Germany 16th? Should be a walkover
Personally think we'll win but lose to Denmark in the semis
Germany 12th
 
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Until we start creating chances we won't beat anybody!
But yes, should we do the above this German team team is certainly beatable
 
They're nowt to be scared of. They looked quality against Portugal, but only because the Portuguese didn't react to the fact Gosens kept overloading down the left.
 
England have a fantastic squad of players, and I think they are capable of beating any team if they click. But having watched them in the group stage they haven't looked convincing to me.

Germany 12th
You're right, we haven't. But just like everyone thinks the Germans will suddenly become mint, I'm pretty confident that we'll raise our game for a knockout. I think there were better signs against the Czechs, it worked better with pace around Kane, Maguire back is a boost, I'm hopeful we can play Henderson instead of Phillips. They might well beat us, but some are sounding ridiculously certain about it when, for me, its a game which could absolutely go either way
 
Don’t think Germany are anywhere near the side they used to be. Yes they will have the usual technical prowess and calm organisational demeanour but from what l have seen it is apparent they can be rattled, especially at the back. Defence is notably slow and l fancy England to win. If we target the defence with pace then it could be relatively comfortable but a similarly cautious approach much as we’ve shown already will be a much more cagey game and play into their hands imho.
Start fast but if we get a goal do not retreat into our shell but keep going at them.
Germany then. Worthy of respect but certainly nothing to fear from them IF England adopt the correct approach.
 
You're right, we haven't. But just like everyone thinks the Germans will suddenly become mint, I'm pretty confident that we'll raise our game for a knockout. I think there were better signs against the Czechs, it worked better with pace around Kane, Maguire back is a boost, I'm hopeful we can play Henderson instead of Phillips. They might well beat us, but some are sounding ridiculously certain about it when, for me, its a game which could absolutely go either way
I think he'll stick with Phillips unfortunately. He'll want to do to Kroos what we did with Modric in the Croatia game.
 
You're right, we haven't. But just like everyone thinks the Germans will suddenly become mint, I'm pretty confident that we'll raise our game for a knockout. I think there were better signs against the Czechs, it worked better with pace around Kane, Maguire back is a boost, I'm hopeful we can play Henderson instead of Phillips. They might well beat us, but some are sounding ridiculously certain about it when, for me, its a game which could absolutely go either way
They're already playing well enough to beat us tbh.
 
They're already playing well enough to beat us tbh.
Some people just seem to love building opposition up, as if they can't wait for us to lose. Aye play like they did against Portugal and they can beat us. Play like they did against Hungary and I think we beat them even though we haven't got out of second gear either yet. How anyone can see this as anything other than an incredibly tight, could go either way game is beyond me. Just a load of people saying "Germany will win" so they can feel smug if it happens.
 
Out of 19 world cups they've reached the semi final or better 13 times.
9 out of 13 euros they've reached semi finals or better.

Ultimate tournament team. The mentality has been there for generations. The German FA are clearly very competent when it comes to national team affairs and they just do things right.
The ultimate tournament team that struggled to find a way past a championship defence last night, and were staring down the barrel of an early exit.

They aren't the team that humiliated Brazil anymore.
Some people just seem to love building opposition up, as if they can't wait for us to lose. Aye play like they did against Portugal and they can beat us. Play like they did against Hungary and I think we beat them even though we haven't got out of second gear either yet. How anyone can see this as anything other than an incredibly tight, could go either way game is beyond me. Just a load of people saying "Germany will win" so they can feel smug if it happens.
I think a few on here have had their fingers burned after the Scotland debacle.

I'm not gonna sit here and say we are guaranteed to win, but I'm more optimistic than pessimistic for now.
 
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