rentaghost
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Great post by MBH. I thought Jordan was a bit timid but it was good management keeping him on and he played well later in the game I thought.
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There is a pattern developing, but I think you have got what pattern that is wrong. The pattern, as far as I can tell, is that those teams had success by playing to their strengths and by embracing their footballing identity. We don't have the technique or class to play slow tempo passing football. We have shown that again and again. We try and do it and we are effectively taking on the world at their own game, and we will never better them at it.
If "kick and rush" is what we do well, then we should embrace it. We shouldn't get carried away with thinking there is a right and wrong way to play the game. Who says you have to be pretty to win things in football? Let's get a big lad up front, a couple of natural wingers either side of him, and do what we do best.
I'll be pleased when everybodies fit
that was a shambles
a mish mash
fuckin rubbish...
After 43 years of watching football I've come to this same conclusuon. We cant play pretty football so lets not try.
We should do what we do best.
Fair post but unfortunately the "starting again" for England is reverting back to a big man up front who is "a handful" for defenders i.e. Exactly what is expected from the English game of kick and rush.
Spain won the world cup with crisp passing and movement with a great goalscorer up front.
Italy won the World Cup by being defensively organised again but with good passing and movement on the counter to hit teams.
Brazil won/win world cups with their flair and skol which again centres around keeping hold of possession, making the opponent run to try and get it back, pass, move, goal.
France won the world cup with a solid defence, without a recognised centre forward which meant they relied on midfielders keeping hold of the ball with good passing and once again good movement especially from midfield to get the goals.
A pattern developing here? Slower tempo football, passing, moving, incisive football .... Not the old fashioned wingers and whipping in a cross for the good old target man to try and get his head on.
That's fine but which of our club sides actually 'does what we do best'?
After 43 years of watching football I've come to this same conclusuon. We cant play pretty football so lets not try.
We should do what we do best.
So why will you be pleased when everybodies fit?
MBH - I'm not convinced Gerrard 'obviously looked like our best player', but if this was Facebook, I'd 'like' the rest.
I know this sounds a bit ott but must have been hard for Jordan playing in an inferior side to Sunderland.
Thought him and Carroll did alright.
Main problem with England is when they just play long ball - lost count of the amount of times Lescott just kicked it back to the french....that and the fact Foster is rubbish
Here's an idea. Why not ask the players to go full time and work on their technique?
After 43 years of watching football I've come to this same conclusuon. We cant play pretty football so lets not try.
We should do what we do best.
...and you know that because?Give over man, you can't kick lumps out of the opposition and turn over possession with speculative long balls at international level. You're living in the 1970s mate.
If, at a time when the good players are developing their technique and modern coaches are refining their tactics, we believe we can succeed by smashing balls into 'the big lad' I think we should accept that we'll never win anything.
I know this sounds a bit ott but must have been hard for Jordan playing in an inferior side to Sunderland.
the state of the French in the summer had nothing to do with their ability. They were always a good side.We blatantly don't have enough strength in depth or quality. That much is obvious. Id be all for starting again if we had enough underneath the 'old guard' but it's very limited. Like someone said, there are 5 or 6 World Cup failures that would walk back into that side. Look at France, and the state of them in the summer yet they totally outclassed us tonight.
After 43 years of watching football I've come to this same conclusuon. We cant play pretty football so lets not try.
We should do what we do best.
...and you know that because?
Put it another way, England has tried for decades to play like the continentals and we have failed miserably.You may well be right.
However, I don't understand the bit about 'doing what we do best'.
Are you talking about England with the likes of Crouch and Heskey?
If not I can't think of a successful club side that operates with a big man and 2 wingers which you seem to be keen on ............. as I've said I don't understand and may be getting the wrong end of the stick.
Who actually does this 'what we do best'?
Capello and 20 years later.We tried it under Taylor man, it was a disaster. You get passed ragged by the opposition, in conditions that often don't support playing the press for 90 minutes.
FIFA told refs to crack down on Crouch at WC 2006. They won't put up with that sort of big lad getting stuck in any more.