Emma Hayes


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Same was said about women in politics. Once players got over the initial novelty, they’d respond if they thought the manager was good.
Haven't all female Prime Ministers in this country been forceably removed from power by their own party? Doesn't really help your argument
Fair enough, it is a valid point (although possibly shouldn't be). There are almost certainly a number of players who would initially have an issue with a female manager. There is that player/manager dynamoc in any dressing room to a certain extent, and it would initially be amplified. A top quality manager should be able to win over the team, and move on anyone they can't.

There are a number of discussion points as to why it would be difficult. My issue is more with the mindset "of course she can't, she is a woman."
I don't think the gender would be an issue. What would be an issue is the step up. I don't believe that the standard even at the top of the women's game is particularly high, not even as high as the lower leagues in the men's game, therefore whilst she stands out above the other managers at that level, I'm not sure whether that is a reflection of her ability or the abilities of others she is competing against. Truth is we don't really know if she's any good or not, as it's nigh on impossible to compare without mere speculation. The fact that Phil Neville was abysmal in the men's game but generally very successful at the women's level says a lot though.

It would be interesting to see how she gets on, so we have a marker, but at the moment it's no different to suggesting that the local PE teacher that just won the Durham U12s cup is qualified to manage England, unfortunately. It's all just pure speculation, of which someone needs to take the chance on a manager from the women's game and see what happens in order to provide an actual benchmark.
 
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Fair enough, it is a valid point (although possibly shouldn't be). There are almost certainly a number of players who would initially have an issue with a female manager. There is that player/manager dynamoc in any dressing room to a certain extent, and it would initially be amplified. A top quality manager should be able to win over the team, and move on anyone they can't.

There are a number of discussion points as to why it would be difficult. My issue is more with the mindset "of course she can't, she is a woman."

I don't think the issue for me is she can't do it she's a woman.

It's more Hayes wanting a job higher than her experience.

If she's that confident she could succeed in the mens game go and take a league 2 job and work your way up.

It appears she thinks she should inherit a big club based on absolutely no achievement in the men's game.
 
I don't think the issue for me is she can't do it she's a woman.

It's more Hayes wanting a job higher than her experience.

If she's that confident she could succeed in the mens game go and take a league 2 job and work your way up.

It appears she thinks she should inherit a big club based on absolutely no achievement in the men's game.
Some men get decent jobs with little experience mind
 
Haven't all female Prime Ministers in this country been forceably removed from power by their own party? Doesn't really help your argument

I don't think the gender would be an issue. What would be an issue is the step up. I don't believe that the standard even at the top of the women's game is particularly high, not even as high as the lower leagues in the men's game, therefore whilst she stands out above the other managers at that level, I'm not sure whether that is a reflection of her ability or the abilities of others she is competing against. Truth is we don't really know if she's any good or not, as it's nigh on impossible to compare without mere speculation. The fact that Phil Neville was abysmal in the men's game but generally very successful at the women's level says a lot though.

It would be interesting to see how she gets on, so we have a marker, but at the moment it's no different to suggesting that the local PE teacher that just won the Durham U12s cup is qualified to manage England, unfortunately. It's all just pure speculation, of which someone needs to take the chance on a manager from the women's game and see what happens in order to provide an actual benchmark.
On the first point, you could also say that women have a mean tenure of 7.5 years, far higher than the male mean. But we should just ignore the PM argument, as one was shit and one was evil.

Bit of a stretch to say Neville was succesful. Shit manager all round.

I think it is the same issue for anyone getting into top level management. But Hayes record and obvious knowledge of football should hold her in good stead. You can only play what is put in front of you. Like you I would be very interested to see how she would get on in the male game.
 
Some men get decent jobs with little experience mind

She hasn't even won a women's champions league.

Never played to a high level albeit due to injury. Hasn't shadowed any top mens coaches learning her trade.

Nobody has ever got a decent job with zero football experience. Why should it change?
 
I'm saying it would bring internal issues and very very likely be viewed as tokenism.

For instance... after a game, a manager would usually go into the dressing room to talk (or blast) his squad, so what happens in the dressing room when EH wants to walk in and do the same?? all the blokes are getting changed/bollocked naked (in the showers) etc etc. BUT "Sorry Ms Hayes, you must wait outside in the corridor until the players are ready", or "Nobody get's undressed until Ms Hayes has been into changing room and spoken to you all", while the players are dripping wet/freezing.

Managers usually have their own space/offices which players respect, but they also integrate closely with with the squad, getting changed themselves with the squad (in the same dressing room). A female manager would be totally cut adrift. This is just one small example.

Also, if she does a shit job and is ultimately sacked. News headlines... "They sacked me because I'm a woman" "Misogamy is rife is the mans game" yada yada yada :rolleyes:
Can't stop reading this :lol:
 
It's unfortunate but if she ever were to manage a men's team they'd need to start hot out the gates otherwise the calls for her removal would be swift and fierce lol
 
Some dinosaurs on this thread like. If she’s good enough she’s good enough. Probably needs to prove herself somewhere in mens football just to see if it’s transferable
 
Said something along the lines that the level was beneath her :lol:
It’s quite an arrogant take tbh

I’m not against her managing in the men’s game at all. But to say that Wimbledon Men’s wouldn’t beat Chelsea Women is daft, the football level, speed and physicality is also massively different. Also, is she suggesting that she should manage in the men’s champions league then?
 
No .
Should never be given a job of managing a men's football team.
The 'tolerant' squad will crucify you for that! They're really, really, REALLY tolerant, you know! :lol:

I don't understand this clamour to mix the sexes in every aspect of life. For all the rhetoric about it, sometimes women want to do women's things with other women, men want to do men's things with other men. (Ooh-er!) Sometimes women want to be in an environment with other women, away from men, and vice versa. Why is that? Because in some ways, we're different!

Why do people have a problem with this? No matter what these so-called progressives insist, it's obvious that sometimes you shouldn't interfere with the natural order of things. Changes like these should happen naturally. They pretty much banned men-only clubs, why couldn't women have women-only clubs? Wouldn't that have been a sensible compromise? Why force the sexes together?
If women end up as managers in men's football, then so be it. It's the ardent clamour for it to happen that I don't get, and the abuse you cop if you don't agree with it.
 
Does anyone have a female boss?

I do. I respect her. Because she’s smart. I couldn’t give a fuck about her gender
I wouldn't touch a manager from women's football at the top levelcof the men's game but its not to do with gender.

Same reason I wouldn't have touched phil Neville.
 
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