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Do you think Johnson chooses whether to play Willis without advice for medics and consultation with the player ? That bit is absolute bollocks

I think Johnson has taken a gamble with Willis absolutely. I doubt you would have had a situation where the medics would say 'no you cant play him because he will definitely be crocked if you do' but his policy of playing him every game is certainly different to what the club were doing earlier in the season with the same medics. What we do know for a fact is:

Willis has had a big problem with his patella. The club acknowledged this early season and were going to try and manage him.
The club have decided to manage the problem rather than operate.
He comes off early in the Plymouth game with pain in that area but immediately plays the next game
He is selected to play in every game twice a week including the pizza cup games
All this during a period where pitches are heavy and shit
Eventually he completely fucks his patella
 
We used to worry about the likes of Rooney, Henry, Aguero, Drogba etc. Now we are overjoyed because Tom Anderson from Donny is out injured FFS what a disgrace how this clubs been run into the ground 🙈🤬
 
I must admit, I do tend to avoid this forum after a defeat or when we've turned against a manager as it just gets daft some of the things that are called out and criticised.

People just lose all rational (not the poster you've quoted in fairness who's normally one of the most level headed on here) and pick at all and sundry. It's a shame as it drowns out/undermines genuine constructive criticism of which there's plenty of opportunity for at the minute without resorting to pettiness or the extremes.

To be honest what do you disagree about the following and why is it remotely unreasonable?

Willis has had a big problem with his patella
The club have decided to manage the problem rather than operate.
He comes off early in the Plymouth game with pain in that area
He is selected to play in every game twice a week including the pizza cup games
All this during a period where pitches are heavy and shit
Eventually he completely fucks his patella

If this isn't the type of thing we should be discussing on a message board i'm not sure what is.
 
To be honest what do you disagree about the following and why is it remotely unreasonable?

Willis has had a big problem with his patella
The club have decided to manage the problem rather than operate.
He comes off early in the Plymouth game with pain in that area
He is selected to play in every game twice a week including the pizza cup games
All this during a period where pitches are heavy and shit
Eventually he completely fucks his patella

If this isn't the type of thing we should be discussing on a message board i'm not sure what is.

You love that statement you've made, it's at least the third time I've seen you copy and paste yourself :lol:
I don't disagree by the way, but it's hard to know what he's been advised by the medical/physio staff and the player himself. If they all tell him he's ok then he's hardly going to drop him just in case.
 
To be honest what do you disagree about the following and why is it remotely unreasonable?

Willis has had a big problem with his patella
The club have decided to manage the problem rather than operate.
He comes off early in the Plymouth game with pain in that area
He is selected to play in every game twice a week including the pizza cup games
All this during a period where pitches are heavy and shit
Eventually he completely fucks his patella

If this isn't the type of thing we should be discussing on a message board i'm not sure what is.
I disagree with the bit in bold - it had been diagnosed as tendinitis earlier in the season. You can’t operate for tendinitis it has to be managed and treated with rest (which it can be argued he didn’t get enough of match-wise but wen don’t know whether he was getting extra rest in training etc), anti-inflammatories and physio.

Whether the original diagnosis was correct or not was another matter, but you can’t really blame the club for treating the player as if he’s had tendinitis.
 
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You love that statement you've made, it's at least the third time I've seen you copy and paste yourself :lol:
I don't disagree by the way, but it's hard to know what he's been advised by the medical/physio staff and the player himself. If they all tell him he's ok then he's hardly going to drop him just in case.

:lol: Different audiences mate. When being accused of talking absolute rubbish i'm just trying to justify myself. With regards to medical advice all the medics can do is make a manager aware of the risks. earlier in the season they were leaving him out from time to time and suddenly they are not.
 
Look how far we have sunk man.

Imagine ten years ago going into a game against Doncaster rovers “fearing a hammering “.
It’s tragic isn’t it, but I can’t say that I found our time in the premier league that much fun either.

I honestly do believe that when we finally get out of this division it will be the start of something good. We were ran so badly in the premier league it nearly crippled us financially and managers were sacked every few months.

Starting again with a clean slate is almost refreshing. We have such an opportunity to rebuild with a proper plan and have a playing style that runs through the club. It’s Sunderland though and nothing is ever done right. Let’s see what the next year brings eh!
 
To be honest what do you disagree about the following and why is it remotely unreasonable?

Willis has had a big problem with his patella
The club have decided to manage the problem rather than operate.
He comes off early in the Plymouth game with pain in that area
He is selected to play in every game twice a week including the pizza cup games
All this during a period where pitches are heavy and shit
Eventually he completely fucks his patella

If this isn't the type of thing we should be discussing on a message board i'm not sure what is.
I believe it is a leap to explicitly state that Johnson has effectively crocked our best player as if he's solely responsible. Certainly without any degree of medical knowledge and without being privy to exactly what's gone on (treatment in training, extra rest days, advice sought and given etc).

I don't believe that bad injury records are down to luck (it was one of my biggest frustrations following the lads hearing Bruce bemoaning his luck after another spell of being decimated by injuries) so I don't deny that there were possibly failings with Willis but I believe it's unlikely that that falls solely at Johnson's door. The medical team, consultants and the player himself will all have to take some responsibility. I also believe that had we of won our last two games but the exact same thing had happened then far fewer people would be making that suggestion.
 
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:lol: Different audiences mate. When being accused of talking absolute rubbish i'm just trying to justify myself. With regards to medical advice all the medics can do is make a manager aware of the risks. earlier in the season they were leaving him out from time to time and suddenly they are not.

It's hard to know really without knowing what's been said. If the medical staff have said he should take it easy and only play now and again then yeah I agree the manager has seriously fucked up. If they've said as long as he isn't in pain he should be fine and the player has said he feels ok then that's very different. Quite a few times they were saying they are talking it game by game and basically played him when it wasn't hurting. They said one day it'll be fine but another he'd wake up in agony so couldn't play
 
:lol: Different audiences mate. When being accused of talking absolute rubbish i'm just trying to justify myself. With regards to medical advice all the medics can do is make a manager aware of the risks. earlier in the season they were leaving him out from time to time and suddenly they are not.
He had a significant period out which potentially changed the medical picture so we don't know whether comparing to the previous regime is any sort of reasonable gauge.
 
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