Doesnt mince his words our Sam


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It seems some people are expecting Sam to fix all our problems in a month! This just shows that the club had no long term plan or strategy in place. The chopping and changing of managers and failed DoF model has cause so much damage. It could take Sam a good 2-3 years to sort out. This tells us we have a group of players just thrown together.

You need to graft at any level. Just look at the great sides in football. Barcelona, A.C. Milan, Brazil. They played with flair but when they didn't they grafted to win the ball back. People ask why Sam is playing the likes of Gomez, Tiovien and Rodwell? He has no choice really. The squad is in bits.
 
He was as hard working as any player. In fact I'd say it's one of his strengths.

Chelsea had the likes of Makelele, Essien etc to do the defensive stuff, Frank was a luxury player who had a licence to do what he did best and he did it very well indeed.
 
Battling midfielder wouldn't be on his CV.
Always had good men around him to give him the freedom to get forward and virtually play as an extra striker.
Graft doesn't mean a Roy Keane or Kevin Ball. Lampard got stuck in when he had to. The reason Lampard was able to play as an extra striker was down to Chelsea'a system. He had players around him to do the donkey work. But you never saw him jogging back or neglecting his defensive duties.
 
Graft doesn't mean a Roy Keane or Kevin Ball. Lampard got stuck in when he had to. The reason Lampard was able to play as an extra striker was down to Chelsea'a system. He had players around him to do the donkey work. But you never saw him jogging back or neglecting his defensive duties.

Depends if you took any notice or not.
 
It's almost like the constant struggles tell you we aren't that good. Sheesh

And yet we're surprisingly good for extended runs when money's under threat, regardless of who we play. Unusual for a side that aren't very good.
 
Graft doesn't mean a Roy Keane or Kevin Ball. Lampard got stuck in when he had to. The reason Lampard was able to play as an extra striker was down to Chelsea'a system. He had players around him to do the donkey work. But you never saw him jogging back or neglecting his defensive duties.
It's because he didn't. He was a very hard working player. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise.

And yet we're surprisingly good for extended runs when money's under threat, regardless of who we play. Unusual for a side that aren't very good.
No we aren't :lol:
We're very poor for extended runs with the odd good bit of form. That's the norm for poor sides
 
Been obvious since his first game. People just didn't want to hear it, he doesn't work anywhere near hard enough to play wide for a struggling side in this league.
 
It's because he didn't. He was a very hard working player. It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise.

No we aren't :lol:
We're very poor for extended runs with the odd good bit of form. That's the norm for poor sides
Strange how you only highlight the bit that suits your argument. Convenient.

Been obvious since his first game. People just didn't want to hear it, he doesn't work anywhere near hard enough to play wide for a struggling side in this league.
He didn't come here for a relegation battle.
 
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Well, that's the side of him that has had supporters of most clubs he's managed wanting rid of him........graft over flair.......it's going to be dull as fuck.

At least he's not just written him off completely i suppose.....but we need our best (most talented) players on the pitch at all times.....regardless of what the charts and graphs say.
I don't agree. Whilst flair and quality is important, flair without graft is useless. Just look at Johnson when his head is down and he's not focused ... a waste of time. He disappears go large parts of games so is no use to anyone. Same with Lens and others before him. So many teams have passed us off the middle of the pitch with simple pass and move, pass and move.
 
I'm glad he is saying this. For the first time in years, we are a team with goals in it. We have players who can run with the ball and take on players, not just a team of defensive midfielders. But, we also have a team of players who do not put in a performance week on week. If they lose the ball in an attack, they don't battle to get it back. They often don't bust a gut to get forward or make those runs off the ball needed to keep defenders on their toes.

Someone said "But Graham works hard". Yes, but can he trap a ball or cause a problem for defenders? No. Lens has a fair bit of talent. If he could apply that for 90 minutes, then defenders could not ignore him. They would stick to him like glue. If you had Johnson doing the same, then all of a sudden Defoe and Borini find they have much more space. How many times do you see us have a promising attack, Johnson beats a player, has two more in front of him then no options around him? Why are the rest of the team way behind play or hiding from the ball?

On the defensive side, if the opposition has 10 players attacking then we need 10 defending. It is simple maths. We concede a lot of goals because of unmarked players (often opposition full backs) pushing forward, putting in crosses or shooting from the edge of the area. Stopping that is one of the basics of football. Pick a man and mark him when the opposition is in possession of the ball

Beckham was clearly a player of quality, but stats showed one year that he ran more miles on the pitch than almost any other player. He was hungry for the ball.

If we are to survive and progress, we need players with that hunger. Very few teams can survive carrying a flair player, certainly nobody in the bottom half.
 
Chelsea had the likes of Makelele, Essien etc to do the defensive stuff, Frank was a luxury player who had a licence to do what he did best and he did it very well indeed.

Its absolute guff that Lampard was a second striker or luxury player, he was the perfect box to box midfielder who was excellent at arriving late in the box. He wasn't a great tackler but that does mean he didn't defend, he was outrunning his teammates even at the twilight of his career.

Even at 34, Frank Lampard continues to be a force in the Chelsea midfield. He ran further than all of Chelsea teammates last weekend, clocking up 6.31 miles. His nearest rival for distance covered on the day, Eden Hazard, is 13 years his junior.
 
Its absolute guff that Lampard was a second striker or luxury player, he was the perfect box to box midfielder who was excellent at arriving late in the box. He wasn't a great tackler but that does mean he didn't defend, he was outrunning his teammates even at the twilight of his career.

Even at 34, Frank Lampard continues to be a force in the Chelsea midfield. He ran further than all of Chelsea teammates last weekend, clocking up 6.31 miles. His nearest rival for distance covered on the day, Eden Hazard, is 13 years his junior.

I'm never suggested he didn't run but others were the ones breaking up the play for him, Frank was great at pointing the finger like someone else we all know.
 
No we aren't :lol:
We're very poor for extended runs with the odd good bit of form. That's the norm for poor sides

funny how the odd good bits of form coincide with outside events involving money though isn't it? the need to secure your appearance money or your full wage, for example. That suggests there's no self motivation to do it any other time than when it suits.
 
funny how the odd good bits of form coincide with outside events involving money though isn't it? the need to secure your appearance money or your full wage, for example. That suggests there's no self motivation to do it any other time than when it suits.
So you're now ruling out the new manager bounce you initially said it was about? Were you talking shite?

Strange how you only highlight the bit that suits your argument. Convenient.


He didn't come here for a relegation battle.
Strange how I highlight the bit that I don't agree with? Isn't that why the bold function is available?

If you need anything else explaining pm me mate, saves you making a tit of yourself in public.
 
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http://m.sunderlandecho.com/sport/s...lens-is-not-starting-for-sunderland-1-7582825

"With each position, I have the levels of an elite performer and an average performer for a Premier League player.

“It’s easy for me to monitor.

“It’s not just Jeremain, but some of our players have been told that they haven’t reached the average and I expect them to reach that average very quickly."

Good to see our players are being monitored so closely now. Hopefully they take the hint and up their games more frequently than the final 6-7 weeks of the season.
I'd love to see where Rodwell places on these performance levels
 
So you're now ruling out the new manager bounce you initially said it was about? Were you talking shite?

Simply noting that there hasn't been one so far this time around, and the fact is that we rely on it happening every year along with a 'great escape' just to keep us afloat. Maybe other teams have sussed the pattern and are more wary of us at these times, therefore it hasn't materialised.

My theory still remains consistent with the evidence of the last few seasons, however.

Now as you plainly want to do the usual and keep batting this backwards and forwards I'll let you have the last word.
 
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