Dissent shouldn't be a sending off


Most would say, in fact nearly all would say it was a foul. The argument js whether it was a yellow or red and because there is no middle ground impossible to meet in the middle. I would give the refs either an enforced substitution or sin bin option. It wouldn't ruin the game as per today and refs could remove players who they think are going too far. Also, Neil effectively misses a game and a half, had he said the same thing on 90 mins would only miss a game. Financial penalties don't work , as the man cities of this world won't care. Still punish players for multiple enforced substitutions or sin bins but certainly in my opinion better than the fiasco of what happened today. Of course, still loads of arguments about this but that's football. All I know is had Neil been off for ten mins or we were permitted to sub him the game would have been a lot better for it. Punish the players not the game.
Enforced substitutions are a better idea than sin bins. Sin bins would result in ten men behind the ball scenarios far too many times.
 
Course it should but it should be applied consistently
Exactly. If Mowbray is correct then this ref would be booking and sending players off every single game. Boro pulled out players back three times and he didn't book them. Our player then pulled back one of their players and he booked him. His reffing was beyond amateurish and ruined the game for us.
 
Exactly. If Mowbray is correct then this ref would be booking and sending players off every single game. Boro pulled out players back three times and he didn't book them. Our player then pulled back one of their players and he booked him. His reffing was beyond amateurish and ruined the game for us.
That the issue for me. Almost all of his decisions he gave leeway. Then he gives a second yellow to a player that said ‘that’s a f***ing foul’ ref 20 yard away.
 
Exactly. If Mowbray is correct then this ref would be booking and sending players off every single game. Boro pulled out players back three times and he didn't book them. Our player then pulled back one of their players and he booked him. His reffing was beyond amateurish and ruined the game for us.

Agree 100%. That's the worst part, the fans can clearly see the inconsistency.

He had the chance to immediately level it up as well with that blatant elbow on Ballard but that was only a yellow!

It's a shame because it was a great game in the first half, I think they'd probably had the better of it but we'd come right back into it.
 
Yesterdays game had a strangely canny resemblance to my sons football match that very same morning. My son (12) who is a tough tackling holding midfielder got booked for a foul, which incidentally was quite naughty and could have been a red, in the first half of a very tight match. Literally seconds before half-time the ref blew for a soft foul and my son said “that was shite ref” and got sent off. Team imploded in the second half and got beat 5-1.

BTW I told him off for it and said I don’t mind you getting a yellow for trying to tackle or win the game but getting sent off for dissent is an absolute joke. A suitable punishment was taking him to the match and watching the same catastrophe unfold on our pitch.
 
Yesterdays game had a strangely canny resemblance to my sons football match that very same morning. My son (12) who is a tough tackling holding midfielder got booked for a foul, which incidentally was quite naughty and could have been a red, in the first half of a very tight match. Literally seconds before half-time the ref blew for a soft foul and my son said “that was shite ref” and got sent off. Team imploded in the second half and got beat 5-1.

BTW I told him off for it and said I don’t mind you getting a yellow for trying to tackle or win the game but getting sent off for dissent is an absolute joke. A suitable punishment was taking him to the match and watching the same catastrophe unfold on our pitch.
Referees should be challenged on decisions respect works both ways and the referees don’t respect players at any level they think they are better than you.

When in reality many were. not good enough to play the game the referees who played the game tend to be better.
 
Referees should be challenged on decisions respect works both ways and the referees don’t respect players at any level they think they are better than you.

When in reality many were. not good enough to play the game the referees who played the game tend to be better.
Ironically the ref is decent he does all of our home games. I went and spoke to him at half time and he said he’d pushed his luck too far throughout the game. Fair enough in my eyes. Hopefully he’ll learn a lesson from it. Same as Dan Neil.
 
He’s walking towards the ref waving his arms shouting at him. How’s that not at the ref ?
He really didn’t do that though did he.

We can argue all day about whether his few words in the context were dissent, but at least let’s keep the debate factual
 
Most likely this ref is thinking big crowd, on telly, important to show I’m not a Homer, important to clamp down on “dissent” to keep the Rugger Johnnies happy

He then proceeds to ruin the game

His refereeing was beyond appalling and I am not saying that because it ran against us

He let dangerous assaults go but dishes out a ridiculous second yellow that ruined the game

Apparently he comes from Australia? Should be sent back there to referee Aussie rules - more concerned with demanding “respect” than the safety of the players or a team blatantly bending the rules to negate a skilful player
 
That the issue for me. Almost all of his decisions he gave leeway. Then he gives a second yellow to a player that said ‘that’s a f***ing foul’ ref 20 yard away.
While being quite happy to just wave away Crooks shouting fuck off at him from about 2 yards away a few minutes earlier.
 
Bookings for dissent depend on the personality of the ref. Some will let being sworn at go and some won’t. Like everything with reffing it’s massively inconsistent.

Personally, I think that any player swearing at a ref should be booked and it should be enforced from Prem League to Grassroots because half the problem is kids see players doing it on TV and think it’s OK

It’s a big part of why so many grassroots refs pack it in.

You can guarantee what Neil said was repeated on every pitch up and down the country yesterday. Some players will have been booked for it and some won’t.
 
Any dissent should be punishable...watch rugby for respect and discipline...why should a lot of over-paid, ego-centric and selfish self-centred footballers be any different from other sports...its about time we tightened up on feigning, cheating, arguing, gesticulating and playing to the gallery and simply got on with what theyre supposed to be superb at ( hence their huge salaries) as professionals!
 
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Any dissent should be punishable...watch rugby for respect and discipline...why should a lot of over-paid, ego-centric and selfish self-centred footballers be any different from other sports...its about time we tightened up on feigning, cheating, arguing, gesticulating and playing to the gallery and simply got on with what theyre supposed to be superb at ( hence their huge salaries) as professionals!
Would you be happy if the game got called off because of bad language?

Dirty challenges, and cheating warrant the potential for multiple red cards, but not using the word "f***ing" for god sake
 
Advantage to the rich clubs. Yellow card is the correct way for me. It’s up to Dan to watch his tongue when he's on a yellow.
If we’d had cover in his position I m not sure he would have been on the pitch to get the red. He was pretty much rendered useless (because of the yellow) when Boro carried the ball at will through our CM. A nick of the heel or a push in the back and it would have been game over for him.
Any dissent should be punishable...watch rugby for respect and discipline...why should a lot of over-paid, ego-centric and selfish self-centred footballers be any different from other sports...its about time we tightened up on feigning, cheating, arguing, gesticulating and playing to the gallery and simply got on with what theyre supposed to be superb at ( hence their huge salaries) as professionals!
And on the flip side of that there is literally no consistency and although it’s not right you can see why players lose it. It’s also a different game than rugby. Yesterday off the top of my fuzzy head the ref let 2 clear yellows go for Boro in the 1st half. One on either Hume or Huggins. One on Clarke. 2nd half there was a blatant dive in the area by a player who had been booked.
 
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Bookings for dissent depend on the personality of the ref. Some will let being sworn at go and some won’t. Like everything with reffing it’s massively inconsistent.

Personally, I think that any player swearing at a ref should be booked and it should be enforced from Prem League to Grassroots because half the problem is kids see players doing it on TV and think it’s OK

It’s a big part of why so many grassroots refs pack it in.

You can guarantee what Neil said was repeated on every pitch up and down the country yesterday. Some players will have been booked for it and some won’t.
Swearing at a ref is one thing “you are a f’ing ****” should get a booking

But “that was a f’ing foul” ??? 😳

No way was that a booking especially said in exasperation rather than menace

The ref’s performance through the rest of the match was poor tbh - including quite a few decisions that went for us - needs to return to Australia to watch his Rugger
Swearing at a ref is one thing “you are a f’ing ****” should get a booking

But “that was a f’ing foul” ??? 😳

No way was that a booking especially said in exasperation rather than menace

The ref’s performance through the rest of the match was poor tbh - including quite a few decisions that went for us - needs to return to Australia to watch his Rugger
And not the first time this clown has been the centre of attention - even when not on the pitch 😳

 
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He really didn’t do that though did he.

We can argue all day about whether his few words in the context were dissent, but at least let’s keep the debate factual
You can see him walking towards the ref with his arms out. That’s a fact actually
What he said is aimed at the referee. He should know better when already booked.
You can try and Eden’s him all you like but it’s stupidity on his part.
The ref was shite though.
 
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In a world where sport is entertainment the referee's role is key in ensuring the product is entertaining. Until everyone accepts that the rules as written can't be applied literally, without making the game farcical and not entertaining (unless you like controversy), then you'll have these ridiculous lacks of consistency.
There really should be no need for sending's off aside from all out assault or deliberately denying a goal [even then i'd award a penalty even if outside the box] as the product and entertainment value of so much better with even numbers on the pitch.
Of course you can't have zero discipline in the game but in this day and age all these technical misdemeanours during a game can be dealt with retrospectively. Giving the law enforcers time to review each incident without the pressure of delaying the live match.
Perhaps player behaviour would change if they knew that every incident would be reviewed post match and suitable bans and fines attributed.
 
Saw the same thing today in non league.

The outcome - yellow card, sin bin for 10 minutes.
 

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