Dissent shouldn't be a sending off


What nobody appears to have mentioned is that the clearly planned and implemented Boro tactic throughout the first half was to take turns to block, pull, trip, obstruct etc Clark at every opportunity

We might have got a dozen free kicks, but not got another dozen we were due and how many Boro players were booked? I don’t remember one but there might have been someone I missed.

What all these Rugger Johnnies probably don’t get is that in football matches, at most levels of the game, there are verbals between Ref and players. I have even been sworn at by referees. If every time someone said what Neil is alleged to have commented games would end 5v6

Sending Neil off for complaining “that was a f***ing foul Ref” was completely disproportionate and actually ruined what could have been a good game

And it was also clear on a number of other occasions various Boro players were commenting directly to the Ref and not always on their own

Having said that we should have used better tactics when down to 10 men
This….
 
Red card for dissent ruins the game without anyone being hurt. Should be a hefty fine, not a red. Happens all the time with players hollering in the ref's face with no action taken, often ref just laughs it off.

Ref should be more bothered about booking players for pulling back and kicking the ball away.
It's a yellow card offence.

Im all in favour of it. Ferguson used to have his players surrounding the ref at every opportunity. Boiled my piss.
 
Only happens in football. I can think of no other sport where players scream foul language at the ref/umpire. If they don't need to do it why should footballers think they can scream what they want?
Ok

But why do you want to change the culture of football by ruining matches in this way?

It is not about “screaming” “foul” language

Saying “that was a fcuking foul” adds emphasis and most refs I played with would not have batted an eyelid.

As I said above, I was called a “fcuking idiot” by a ref in a match once.

Obviously it is different if three or four of you are screaming “you are a cheating ****” in the refs face. But that did not happen today - at least from us
 
Easiest way to stamp out dissent is to have consistent refs. They don't even have to be good. Just not incompetent.

Today's was all over the place, booking Roberts for a foul that was exactly the same as one that had happened on Clarke three times with no bookings was a good microcosm.
 
Easiest way to stamp out dissent is to have consistent refs. They don't even have to be good. Just not incompetent.

Today's was all over the place, booking Roberts for a foul that was exactly the same as one that had happened on Clarke three times with no bookings was a good microcosm.
I sound Like a broken record I know but….
How many would have sent Neil off for his tackle.? You’ll never get consistentcy accross the board. If anything the ref WAS following the rules and others not. Will always happen.
 
I sound Like a broken record I know but….
How many would have sent Neil off for his tackle.? You’ll never get consistentcy accross the board. If anything the ref WAS following the rules and others not. Will always happen.
If he was following the rules Boro would be down to 8 at the end of the game... That's the issue here, he wasn't following the rules. He was picking and choosing, missing things, being inconsistent etc. I've had more sensible officiating on a Saturday and that's saying something. Reffing with his ego, which can't happen at this level.

Obviously if he books the first foul on Clarke the second probably doesn't happen.

Elbow was blatant mind. Really not sure how no official was actually watching at that point.

And the Greenwood situation has been done already.
 
Refs need to start pulling over the Captain and have a word.
Have to say at Notts County one of ours was walking a tightrope.
Credit the ref who called over the Captain and told him, next time the lad will walk.

Its the inconsistency that pisses us all off.
 
watfords keeper got booked on wednesday for the same thing. do we want consistency or just things going our way?

don't blame neil being passionate and asking questions. Surely the captain should be around the ref making sure this doesn't happen and to safeguard his players
 
I sound Like a broken record I know but….
How many would have sent Neil off for his tackle.? You’ll never get consistentcy accross the board. If anything the ref WAS following the rules and others not. Will always happen.
Think the consistency should concern swearing AT the referee

Not using a swear word for emphasis

Dan Neil was making a point about consistency - Boro were consistently pulling, tripping, obstructing Clark and the referee was giving virtually nothing

Boro obviously had a plan to consistently foul him out of the game that way

And the ref was doing f’all about it - as Dan Neil pointed out

Now maybe he could have phrased it better - but I was just as frustrated as he was in the East Stand watching it and also swearing- seemed like a reasonable point he was making
 
If he was following the rules Boro would be down to 8 at the end of the game... That's the issue here, he wasn't following the rules. He was picking and choosing, missing things, being inconsistent etc. I've had more sensible officiating on a Saturday and that's saying something. Reffing with his ego, which can't happen at this level.

Obviously if he books the first foul on Clarke the second probably doesn't happen.

Elbow was blatant mind. Really not sure how no official was actually watching at that point.

And the Greenwood situation has been done already.
He was regarding Neil. Inconsistency will never be there from ref to ref. Like I said.
 
Right so football has turned into that much of a fanny that swearing is a yellow card. Not being abusive, just in the heat of things, right okay then then. If this is the case, then it needs to be consistent. You see this week in week out, or is it because some don't include a nasty swear word when going mad, not agreeing with the ref, as to why we don't see this week in week out? Fuck off
 
Right so football has turned into that much of a fanny that swearing is a yellow card. Not being abusive, just in the heat of things, right okay then then. If this is the case, then it needs to be consistent. You see this week in week out, or is it because some don't include a nasty swear word when going mad, not agreeing with the ref, as to why we don't see this week in week out? Fuck off
watfords keeper was booked on wednesday for the same thing.
 
He was regarding Neil. Inconsistency will never be there from ref to ref. Like I said.
I'm talking about inconsistencies from decision to decision from this particular ref. I'm not too bothered by inconsistencies ref to ref. Even if the dissent situation was laughable, assuming it's like Sky and Mowbray said.

Take the Greenwood foul that for some reason wasn't a yellow. It's high and late not too dissimilar to the Neil yellow.
 
Right so football has turned into that much of a fanny that swearing is a yellow card. Not being abusive, just in the heat of things, right okay then then. If this is the case, then it needs to be consistent. You see this week in week out, or is it because some don't include a nasty swear word when going mad, not agreeing with the ref, as to why we don't see this week in week out? Fuck off
The powers can’t get an offside right on var. The linesman today couldn’t see a blatant offside. Every ref is not a fanny. Some are (today) and others will not react. The list of rules posted earlier had a heading at the top which basically says it’s up to the ref to make his own choice as to what they are. (How can you even try to get consistent) Better off swearing while looking at the grass….
 
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I'd not have complained too much if the first one got him sent off. I'd have thought it was a little harsh as he was on the ground and the lead leg made almost no contact.
I'd still be unhappy that Clarke was dragged back, the ref indicated advantage, but then no booking. Or that you can jump into Ballard late with your elbow into his throat and not be sent off.
I sound Like a broken record I know but….
How many would have sent Neil off for his tackle.? You’ll never get consistentcy accross the board. If anything the ref WAS following the rules and others not. Will always happen.
 
There's loads of nuances when it comes to swearing and dissent.. I doubt the refs give two fucks about the vast majority of swearing but you always run the risk of a card when you swear at an official. Even swearing at an official can have a nuance when it comes to getting a card or not. It's simple not an black and white issue
 
There's loads of nuances when it comes to swearing and dissent.. I doubt the refs give two fucks about the vast majority of swearing but you always run the risk of a card when you swear at an official. Even swearing at an official can have a nuance when it comes to getting a card or not. It's simple not an black and white issue
But saying “that was a fcuking foul” is not swearing at the ref

Saying “you are a fcuking cheat” is

I thought Dan Neil did the former
 

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