Disrespect towards Referees.


so what?

we need to stop excusing this behaviour. so the ref made a mistake. big wow. he doesn't deserve to be treated like that

every kid in the country is watching the biggest starts of the premier league acting like that and guess what, it filters down to grassroots football and now no one wants to be a referee anymore

we need to stop saying 'aye he he reacted bad, BUT the ref made a bad call'

theres no excuse for it. ever.

if you think the ref has purposely made a bad call then walk off the pitch and accuse him of corruption
Well exactly mistakes are made by all sorts of people in all sorts of situations.

And in the main it’s accepted because we know they have not made the mistake on purpose and they certainly not abused for honest mistakes.

Imagine if Haaland missed a last minute sitter and the ref or anyone else for that matter started giving him loads of grief on the field.

It simply would not happen because we know he would not have missed it on purpose, well a ref doesn’t make a mistake on purpose either.
 
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I haven't seen other incident but did he get booked or sent off....!

If not why not....?

One rule for one and one rule for another....!!!

Do you honestly think that would be even in the slightest terms that booking him would be feasible in that situation? He realised he'd ballsed up big time. It's just not realistic to consider that the ref would book him thete. It's just not how these things work in reality.
Imagine if Haaland missed a last minute sitter and the ref or anyone else for that matter started giving him loads of grief on the field.

He did actually miss one early on. I'm not saying that we should be alright with referees making mistakes but I don't remember loads of players and fans berating Haaland and yelling 'why did you put it wide? Why didn't you hit the net? It's an error, it's not a mistake he wanted to make. It's the same for a human like Hooper refereeing the game.
Said this before the culture is nothing short of f***ing ridiculous

It really is. At efl level, without VAR the refs do a better job or at least as good as than anyone on this board or any pundit could ever do
 
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Do you honestly think that would be even in the slightest terms that booking him would be feasible in that situation? He realised he'd ballsed up big time. It's just not realistic to consider that the ref would book him thete. It's just not how these things work in reality.
Well thanks for your reply mate but can't you read ...? I did state that I haven't seen the incident.....!

Not the point as to what was feasible... They as referees should stick to the rules and the laws of the game irrelevant of the injustice.

So what you saying it's ok to have a go at the ref if he has balls it up....????

We need continuity in the game and refs should be stuck to it... Regardless.....!!!!!
 
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Well thanks for your reply mate but can't you read ...? I did state that I haven't seen the incident.....!

Not the point as to what was feasible... They as referees should stick to the rules and the laws of the game irrelevant of the injustice.

So what you saying it's ok to have a go at the ref if he has balls it up....????

We need continuity in the game and refs should be stuck to it... Regardless.....!!!!!

Every interaction with the referee is different so you can forget about the completely misguided principle of consistency. It's not even vaguely applicable in interactions with referees. The only way is to enforce a rule where any player who approaches a referee is booked. Whether or not I'd welcome that I'm not sure. On your point about whether a mistake should allow for greater leniency I do think it's reasonable that a referee would take this into account. It's common sense. If a player kicks off after a blatant mistake on my part as a ref I would be more sympathetic to them than if they are kicking off without justification and so would anyone else.
 
Time for the strike. Let's call it a day.
No Middle aged bloke doing something he must love for a bit of pocket money should be assaulted or verbally abused, I’m not even going to say at kids football,it’s any football. Any meat head needs to learn no Ref no game. Kids need to learn right from wrong and that every decision won’t go your way, that needs drilling in from the parents. Not a parent scudding a referee over not agreeing. Pisses me off.
 
As an amateur football REFEREE of sixteen years experience, I have loved reading the various opinions on this fans forum.
I am 60 and simply LOVE REFEREEING, OK I am not under the scrutiny of REFEREE'S in the professional game. But amateurs players and youth footballers, all have opinions about REFEREE'S. When you give decisions which favours one team, you are "THE BEST REFEREE", but if you don't give decisions in favour of one team the abuse starts.
In my level of football we have "THE SIN BIN", which relates to abusive players arguing with the REFEREE'S decisions and you can SIN BIN players for ten minutes. Which when their team are down to ten players might make the guilty player. Think about their actions. If I give the same player another SIN BIN in the same game. The guilty player is NOT allowed to return to the field of play after the ten minute SIN BIN period, but his team are permitted to replace the guilty player. Currently "THE USE OF THE SIN BIN", is being debated in the professional game.
Also this season at all levels of football only the captain and one other player can question the REFEREE, should they not like a certain decision by the REFEREE. If other players surround the REFEREE they can be booked. The same as kicking the ball away when a player has clearly heard the REFEREE blow for a foul or offside as an example.
All REFEREE'S at all levels have more powers of authority this season.
Interesting point someone raised on handball. It is always a contentious point. I only award a free kick or penalty if I believe that the action of the guilty player is intentional or the arm is in an unnatural position and I would not give a free kick or penalty if the ball struck the player from close proximity.
Love the debate.
 
As an amateur football REFEREE of sixteen years experience, I have loved reading the various opinions on this fans forum.
I am 60 and simply LOVE REFEREEING, OK I am not under the scrutiny of REFEREE'S in the professional game. But amateurs players and youth footballers, all have opinions about REFEREE'S. When you give decisions which favours one team, you are "THE BEST REFEREE", but if you don't give decisions in favour of one team the abuse starts.
In my level of football we have "THE SIN BIN", which relates to abusive players arguing with the REFEREE'S decisions and you can SIN BIN players for ten minutes. Which when their team are down to ten players might make the guilty player. Think about their actions. If I give the same player another SIN BIN in the same game. The guilty player is NOT allowed to return to the field of play after the ten minute SIN BIN period, but his team are permitted to replace the guilty player. Currently "THE USE OF THE SIN BIN", is being debated in the professional game.
Also this season at all levels of football only the captain and one other player can question the REFEREE, should they not like a certain decision by the REFEREE. If other players surround the REFEREE they can be booked. The same as kicking the ball away when a player has clearly heard the REFEREE blow for a foul or offside as an example.
All REFEREE'S at all levels have more powers of authority this season.
Interesting point someone raised on handball. It is always a contentious point. I only award a free kick or penalty if I believe that the action of the guilty player is intentional or the arm is in an unnatural position and I would not give a free kick or penalty if the ball struck the player from close proximity.
Love the debate.

Did you say you are a REFEREE?!??
 
Why do other players need to approach the ref anyway?

I've never seen a ref change their mind when they've been confronted.

"Oh sorry Trippier you are right, it was a perfectly fine challenge. My mistake"

If only the players involved in the decision could be spoken to by the ref, and anyone else approaching got booked. It would soon stop
 
As an amateur football REFEREE of sixteen years experience, I have loved reading the various opinions on this fans forum.
I am 60 and simply LOVE REFEREEING, OK I am not under the scrutiny of REFEREE'S in the professional game. But amateurs players and youth footballers, all have opinions about REFEREE'S. When you give decisions which favours one team, you are "THE BEST REFEREE", but if you don't give decisions in favour of one team the abuse starts.
In my level of football we have "THE SIN BIN", which relates to abusive players arguing with the REFEREE'S decisions and you can SIN BIN players for ten minutes. Which when their team are down to ten players might make the guilty player. Think about their actions. If I give the same player another SIN BIN in the same game. The guilty player is NOT allowed to return to the field of play after the ten minute SIN BIN period, but his team are permitted to replace the guilty player. Currently "THE USE OF THE SIN BIN", is being debated in the professional game.
Also this season at all levels of football only the captain and one other player can question the REFEREE, should they not like a certain decision by the REFEREE. If other players surround the REFEREE they can be booked. The same as kicking the ball away when a player has clearly heard the REFEREE blow for a foul or offside as an example.
All REFEREE'S at all levels have more powers of authority this season.
Interesting point someone raised on handball. It is always a contentious point. I only award a free kick or penalty if I believe that the action of the guilty player is intentional or the arm is in an unnatural position and I would not give a free kick or penalty if the ball struck the player from close proximity.
Love the debate.
Always thought that it should only be the captain that can approach the ref and for the ref to invite any other player. Too many of the res we see just seem to be making the same mistakes week after week and it strikes me they probably don’t love it as much as you do!
 
I’ve always thought that if I was in 2-300k a week I’d shut up and behave tbh

There’s this.

I’ve had a go at refs occasionally, I was booked for one instance. I deserved a red, he should’ve sent himself off.

By the by.

I shouldn’t have started. You need refs otherwise no game and it’s simple as.

The best refs I’ve ever had were to put a label on it - human. Talk to the players, explain the decision and be direct.

There’s a ref in the PDSL now, woman, could be very intimidating if she gets owt wrong. You know what? She does. She does the right thing though in talking and 99% of players will just go ‘yep, alright’ and I’ve never seen anyone go over and shout even.

It’s a game and we’re all adults. Mike Dean was actually very good in this regard. He’d always just let it flow to a point then explain himself.

I’ve tried reffing a bit, it was gash and not for me. Fair play to the lads and lasses who do it.
 
Why do other players need to approach the ref anyway?

I've never seen a ref change their mind when they've been confronted.

"Oh sorry Trippier you are right, it was a perfectly fine challenge. My mistake"

If only the players involved in the decision could be spoken to by the ref, and anyone else approaching got booked. It would soon stop
Cos most footballers are needy arseholes?
 
Always thought that it should only be the captain that can approach the ref and for the ref to invite any other player. Too many of the res we see just seem to be making the same mistakes week after week and it strikes me they probably don’t love it as much as you do!

I agree. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder what the point of the captain approaching is? What is the captain going to say or do that is going to change anything? What can the captain say or so that has any relevance.

Maybe only players summoned by the ref and those directly involved in the accident
should be allowed to speak to them.
 
I've ref'd my kids game....If the local League don't supply then the home team have to ref.....
my first game....I had to award a penalty against my own lad for handball..(he's still going on about it)....then awarded a penna against the other team....on further discussion with the linesman it was deemed not a handball so I retracted my decision....by this point my own lads are giving me shite....then one of our lads bundled over in the area, I award a penalty....in the furor he's screaming as he's fractured his wrist....they scored the penna and won...then I blew the final whistle....then it started to thunder a lightning and piss down overhead and still had parents from the other team asking about the penalty I'd awarded because their player had literally Ice hockey challenged our player in the box.....
that first pint didn't even touch the sides..

it's hard...
 

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