Did Peter Reid get it wrong after 1999 promotion..


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Quinn was instrumental and when he began to fade we didn't replace him or change our style. Losing Hutchison was also a blow that third season and he wasn't replaced.

I reckon whatever we had done though, Sunderland being Sunderland we'd have reverted to being a struggling side sooner rather than later. We've never been a consistent top half side in the top flight since when? The 50s?
Laslandes and Flo were shocking buys.
Eriksson and Helmer were strangely never first choice.
 
Fell out with too many of his better players
Could not find a replacement for Quinn
Didn't invest when we went 2nd in January 2001 (remember no transfer window then)
Too many mediocre signings
7th places were great but both had awful collapses after Xmas

This. I think he became disillusioned towards the end too, when it stopped working it was like he gave up. The fire from earlier in his stint had gone.
 
The following two years with back to back 7th place top flight finishes says no to a lot of fans. But why did it go wrong after that.
He got found out once the Quinn and Phillips partnership broke up. The tit also let stubbornness dismantle a team. His treatment of Summerbee and Makin was disgraceful. Mind, he had history, just look at when he dropped Kubicki for Hall, then pretended he didn't know the significance.

Mind, those four seasons, ending with the second of the two 7th place funishes were fantastic. Going to every game knowing you had a chance no matter the opposition was class.

Great times but the game left him behind.
 
Phillips form dropped off a cliff alongside being found out. 30 amazing goals first season up in 36 games, 31 goals in 103 games in the next 3 seasons.
 
Laslandes and Flo were shocking buys.
Eriksson and Helmer were strangely never first choice.

At the time I could understand the Flo signing. He was a canny player even though he was well out of form by that point at Rangers. The problem was Reid expected him to be a direct replacement for Quinn. He was never a target man in the same way, he was better with the ball at his feet.
 
Couldn't get the required quality players to sign. Plus the finance wasn't there to over pay and force the deals home. Subsequently we signed players who were not good enough to take us forward and we ended up slipping back over at an alarming rate. Our moments in the sun are always short lived, or always have been in my life time.

This. Additionally the momentum built up from those two dominant seasons in the First Division, where we were essentially a Premiership team playing in the league below, helped propel us to 7th twice.
 
Arguably the North Stand extension shouldn’t have happened and the nigh on £8M it cost spent on a handful of quality players. Can understand Sir Bob’s thinking, he wanted to leave a legacy and he did but he went the other way and we’d had an extra couple of years at the top end of the table probably competing in Europe even just the once or twice, the North Stand could then have been extended and paid for itself.

This.

Wasn’t needed at the time, it was a vanity project
 
He thought Laslandes and Flo were Quinny replacements and they weren’t. Laslandes was a super player for Bordeaux but I remember watching him standing hands on hips v Ipswich as another long ball was hoofed over him looking like he was thinking WTF. We know from Chelsea that Flo was sensational, can’t really remember what he did at Rangers but he was wasted here.
 
Signed so much shite, heaps of it.
I think in his last couple of seasons only Reyna & maybe Bjorklund were OK.

Medina, Laslandes, Haas, Flo, Peters... so much waste
 
If we’d have strengthened better when Melville, Ball, Clark and Bridges went in 1999/00 then Bould, Summerbee and Makin the following season we would have been better off. We did get Hutchinson, Thome, Schwarz and obviously Arca came good eventually but were on a downward trend. Can’t remember which season it was but went from a week before Christmas to nigh on the end of March before winning.
Don't disagree, but arca coming good eventually is a bit harsh, the lad was great from the start.
 
We were top of the league at Xmas and didn’t invest in the squad. That was the sliding doors moment in the history of our club. We could have become a champions league team and we were set up with the facilities to do that. Unfortunately the North stand expansion took a lot of the budget that may have been better spent on players at the time. We were linked with Ibrahimovic for 3.5m around that time, and constantly linked with high potential big players that never seemed to arrive. Kollar and Keane are the lasting meme’s on here, but it was constant.

After that we lost momentum, the squad that worked well started aging and we didn’t replace the players we had lost.

Such a shame, but I wouldn’t put the blame at Reid’s door.
 
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Fell out with too many of his better players
Could not find a replacement for Quinn
Didn't invest when we went 2nd in January 2001 (remember no transfer window then)
Too many mediocre signings
7th places were great but both had awful collapses after Xmas
Don’t remind me. My one and only flirtation with spread betting was on how many points we would get that second season. Cost me almost a grand to bale out before the end of the season. Lesson learned the hard way.☹️
 
We were top of the league at Xmas and didn’t invest in the squad. That was the sliding doors moment in the history of our club. We could have become a champions league team and we were set up with the facilities to do that. Unfortunately the North stand expansion took a lot of the budget that may have been better spent on players at the time.

After that we lost momentum, the squad that worked well started aging and we didn’t replace the players we had lost.

Such a shame, but I wouldn’t put the blame at Reid’s door.

The way he treated some experienced players like Makin and Summerbee etc he has to take a share of the blame.
 
Don't disagree, but arca coming good eventually is a bit harsh, the lad was great from the start.

Maybe a bit harsh but he was 19(?) he wasn’t a proven top end Premier League player at that point. Arca wasn’t consistently great at that point. He did have bad games as they all did, mind.
 
Even 20 years ago, we were struggling to get top-quality to come to Sunderland. Nothing has changed.

Thats true like. The Mags got quality but paid a premium, Man City level wages at the time and they didn't stick around. Ginola, Ferdinand were only there for two seasons. Shearer was on a fortune and signed for his hometown club when they were challenging.

Schawz (sp) was quality like but he wouldn't have signed for us in his prime.
 
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