Did Peter Reid get it wrong after 1999 promotion..


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Reid's era was classic, but in the end his old school style included fall out with key players who had balls of steel. One by one they left and were replaced with paper thin characters like Bernt Haas. Key moments like failing to push the boat out a wee bit further for Makelele, Sinclair and Duff, whilst losing Hutchison sent us spiraling. Lets not mention Robbie Keane.
 
Having the ability to refresh a squad and maintain the team spirit is difficult. Reid did it brilliantly after 96/97. He did an excellent job in getting us up in 95/96, quite well in getting us to 40 points with the squad we had in 96/97 (his stubbornness cost us then) and then made some good signings that rejuvenated a fairly pragmatic side to take us back up over the next two seasons.

He simply failed to do that again in 2001. Players with big characters that were phased out (Makin, Summerbee, Rae) were replaced with lesser characters (some with good ability but perhaps not the right character, some not so much of either).

2000/2001 was the best chance of qualifying to mix it with the genuine European elite and we blew it. A happy time, but one of missed opportunity too
 
Having the ability to refresh a squad and maintain the team spirit is difficult. Reid did it brilliantly after 96/97. He did an excellent job in getting us up in 95/96, quite well in getting us to 40 points with the squad we had in 96/97 (his stubbornness cost us then) and then made some good signings that rejuvenated a fairly pragmatic side to take us back up over the next two seasons.

He simply failed to do that again in 2001. Players with big characters that were phased out (Makin, Summerbee, Rae) were replaced with lesser characters (some with good ability but perhaps not the right character, some not so much of either).

2000/2001 was the best chance of qualifying to mix it with the genuine European elite and we blew it. A happy time, but one of missed opportunity too
It will come again, it may not look like it now, but it will, i always thought our best way of getting into Europe is, to do it the way Middlesbrough did it, make sure you are safe enough, but focus on winning the league cup or The Fa Cup etc, it brings an end to the almost 50 year wait for a major trophy, but also qualify us for the Europa League, of course getting into the top 6, would be even better, but that's just the way i see it, plus talking about the time, the Intertoto cup was still a thing, i have never been able to work out why, we never went for it, because i think that side that finished 7th the second time could of done well in it, maybe qualified via it for the UEFA Cup as it was.
 
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It will come again, it may not look like it now, but it will, i always thought our best way of getting into Europe is, to do it the way Middlesbrough did it, make sure you are safe enough, but focus on winning the league cup or The Fa Cup etc, it brings an end to the almost 50 year wait for a major trophy, but also qualify us for the Europa League, of course getting into the top 6, would be even better, but that's just the way i see it, plus talking about the time, the Intertoto cup was still a thing, i have never been able to work out why, we never went for it, because i think that side that finished 7th the second time could of done well in it, maybe qualified via it for the UEFA Cup as it was.

Love the optimism!

I think we missed out Champions League that season let alone Uefa cup. We got some rotten luck in our bad run after Christmas but we could have helped ourselves with some good recruitment. I can’t see us being in that position again given the financial disparity between the top sides and the rest (unless the arse completely falls out of football)
 
Love the optimism!

I think we missed out Champions League that season let alone Uefa cup. We got some rotten luck in our bad run after Christmas but we could have helped ourselves with some good recruitment. I can’t see us being in that position again given the financial disparity between the top sides and the rest (unless the arse completely falls out of football)
look at Leicester, they came from league one, look at them now.
 
There were no transfer windows then (other than a March deadline day), so we had ample opportunity to strengthen. We failed to do so (ending up with crap like Nunez instead) which cost him and us.
I thought we signed flo and Stewart on deadline day?
 
He played five games for them, and they were the last of his career. What actually happened was they'd signed a 34 year old defender, got him down Whitburn, and quickly realised his legs had gone. That's nonsense what you're said there about Sacko.
Yes, that about his 'legs gone' rings a bell now you mention it. It was still odd that he wasn't good enough to play for us but he was good enough to play in the Champions League for a German team, who must have been considerably better than us?
 
Arguably the North Stand extension shouldn’t have happened and the nigh on £8M it cost spent on a handful of quality players. Can understand Sir Bob’s thinking, he wanted to leave a legacy and he did but he went the other way and we’d had an extra couple of years at the top end of the table probably competing in Europe even just the once or twice, the North Stand could then have been extended and paid for itself.
I know it's a bit off subject,but I wish they would've extended the east stand,instead of north.So that the ground looked more symmetrical
 
Yes, that about his 'legs gone' rings a bell now you mention it. It was still odd that he wasn't good enough to play for us but he was good enough to play in the Champions League for a German team, who must have been considerably better than us?
Well they finished 6th in that season's Bundesliga, we finished 7th in the Premier League. European competition aside you could say they were about on par with us.
 
That whole Helmer thing is one of the most baffling things of all. He barely got a kick here but went of to Bayern Munich (I think) and won a Champions League medal !!
I heard he questioned Reid's training methods and after that never got a look in.
At that 1958 time only us and Arsenal had never been out of the top division.
It was only us, Arsenal had played in division 2.
 
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I always thought we should have gone for Duncan Ferguson as a replacement for Quinn. I’m sure we were linked in the papers a few times. Think he went to the scum while we were still in Div 1 so the timelines didn’t really work plus we had another good season and a half out of Quinn before he started to fade. Dichio was obviously intended to step up but sadly he wasn’t good enough.

I was a little bit ITK back then & was told there was a falling out with Reid because he was still commuting up from London.
 
Was at a sportsman's dinner where he was speaking a few months back, he said he just couldn't compete financially in order for us to kick on.
He would look at what boro and the mags were paying and was jealous.
Unfortunately Sunderland is not a rich area with loads of cash rich businesses chucking money at the club.

He also said there was nothing he could have done to stop Maradona on that run in 86, so I'm not sure what to believe.
 
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