Did Mowbray self Sabotage to make a point?


Sorry but that last point is not right…the much revered recruitment team have not brought a striker anywhere close to he being good enough for the first team since Ross Stewart was bought. Just let that sink in.
No ex Premiership striker, no one from a lesser championship, first or second division team. How much did Stewart cost? … pennies in real terms.
Wyke left in the summer of 2021, at which point we had one striker. They have had 2.5 years or 5 transfer windows to find and develop the solution. They failed it is as simple as that
Let it sink that I never said any of those who’ve been brought in are good enough for the first team

And because there’s loads of Ross Stewart’s sat around waiting for Sunderland to sign them of course.

Ex-prem proven strikers cost money in transfer fees and wages the same for lesser championship teams and again none of these fit the model.

This is a general observation but I think some people think the recruitment team have sat twiddling their thumbs when it comes signing a striker.
 
Sorry but that last point is not right…the much revered recruitment team have not brought a striker anywhere close to he being good enough for the first team since Ross Stewart was bought. Just let that sink in.
No ex Premiership striker, no one from a lesser championship, first or second division team. How much did Stewart cost? … pennies in real terms.
Wyke left in the summer of 2021, at which point we had one striker. They have had 2.5 years or 5 transfer windows to find and develop the solution. They failed it is as simple as that
Dack was a TM man, experienced, a top wage earner, poor signing.
 
Let it sink that I never said any of those who’ve been brought in are good enough for the first team

And because there’s loads of Ross Stewart’s sat around waiting for Sunderland to sign them of course.

Ex-prem proven strikers cost money in transfer fees and wages the same for lesser championship teams and again none of these fit the model.

This is a general observation but I think some people think the recruitment team have sat twiddling their thumbs when it comes signing a striker.

No doubt they tried but failed
Disagree. I think Rusyn will make it and look good but we will see.

I suspect you have forgot how old he is already
 
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I was under the impression, and probably wrongly, that speakman was making mowbray play one of the 4 strikers the club had invested in. As soon as we stopped playing dack and or jobe up front to accommodate a striker the shape and conversion rate for goals disappeared and the bad run began.
Then there were other odd selections like Defenders in midfield. So I was pleasantly surprised to see the team and shape yesterday with jobe up front. Suprise suprise we played well and looked better.


So why did tony keep rotating strikers if he didn't have to - was he prepared to sacrifice points and his job to make a point that the strikers weren't good enough?
No it was more the fact his newly found tactics didn’t suit a single striker as it was a tactic we used when we didn’t have one and his insistence on having the full backs go into midfield rather than overlap
 
I also wondered about this. If he wasn’t happy with the strikers that were brought in, why did he simply not play them?
Dodds said it himself that he had total control over team selection.
By playing them, you could say Mowbray forced his own downfall.
Dodds has two/three games. He’s been told your only job is to win them. The next guy will have the brief to develop players. The next guy can’t have four duds sitting on the bench. So he’ll have to play them otherwise it’s dead wood and against the recruitment model. Mowbray was in the same position.
 
No doubt they tried but failed


I suspect you have forgot how old he is already
Exactly and that’s allowed unfortunately. I’m no Speakman apologist but he’s given a tough time on here (which is easy to do) without a lot of substance to the ins and outs of what goes on.
 
You've lost the plot over losing an average championship manager and have resorted to spouting insults and shite the last few days to anyone who disagrees with you. :lol:

Rusyn especially was making clever runs in the box and especially to the near post but we mostly play too slowly to take advantage of this as we just don't adapt the way we play to the different players who play up front. We expect all the players we play up front to drop in and play as a pivot, a tactic we used well last year with Gelhardt but not moved on from this season but expect different players to play that role. The strikers we have this year are not the same player that Gelhardt was and imo is the reason that Jobe has worked best in that role.

We'll see what these players look like under a new manager and new tactics.

Running where defenders are happy for you to run is easy.
The team is set up to play a certain way, he has to adjust his game or doesn’t play. I think he has been a mistake.
Maybe along side someone who does understand the role he might add something.
Truth is Ross Stewart played the role perfect he had all the attributes we need in a striker and I don’t see any other t them in Rusyn. I do see something in Mayenda though.
Exactly and that’s allowed unfortunately. I’m no Speakman apologist but he’s given a tough time on here (which is easy to do) without a lot of substance to the ins and outs of what goes on.

I don’t think he gets a hard time at all, people recognise his successes but hold him to account for his failures.
The recruitment team have simply failed in the last two windows imo. Before that they were unbelievably good for 3 windows. That view stands up to scrutiny and I for one want to see us revert to our strategy of those 3 windows or will never have the replacements we need should we sell key players.
At this moment we could sell a full back to a Prem club and possibly a number 10. Can’t see where the depth is after that
 
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Ross Stewart didn’t struggle
That was because the team was specifically set up to accomodate a striker, or even 2, as at the time (or most of it) we still had the lad Simms from Everton. Once Stewart got injured and Simms went back we set up for inverted wingers and a withdrawn forward (Amad), who played most of his football via Roberts right wing.
Even though we signed multiple forwards during the summer, Mowbray did not adapt to this (apart from the odd occasion in friendlies) and continued to play the same way using the wingers for everything (and as we have found out, they have been sussed).
The point (and this is only my opinion), is that Stewart or anybody else playing striker would struggle to score in this set up as they are not receiving enough of the ball either in crosses or in behind from the midfield.
 
Running where defenders are happy for you to run is easy.
The team is set up to play a certain way, he has to adjust his game or doesn’t play. I think he has been a mistake.
Maybe along side someone who does understand the role he might add something.
Truth is Ross Stewart played the role perfect he had all the attributes we need in a striker and I don’t see any other t them in Rusyn. I do see something in Mayenda though.


I don’t think he gets a hard time at all, people recognise his successes but hold him to account for his failures.
The recruitment team have simply failed in the last two windows imo. Before that they were unbelievably good for 3 windows. That view stands up to scrutiny and I for one want to see us revert to our strategy of those 3 windows or will never have the replacements we need should we sell key players.
At this moment we could sell a full back to a Prem club and possibly a number 10. Can’t see where the depth is after that
I disagree with you on this totally tbh and feel the tactics are as much at fault as the strikers. When I watched Rusyn, he made some good runs and had good work rate. He looks like he could be a good player for us this season when we play to his strengths more often and when settles in the area and in the squad.

We are not getting a like for like replacement for Stewart, he's 6'4, 6'5 with a good all around game and great work rate.

Pointless arguing about it anymore, we'll see what happens when the new manager comes in.
 
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That was because the team was specifically set up to accomodate a striker, or even 2, as at the time (or most of it) we still had the lad Simms from Everton. Once Stewart got injured and Simms went back we set up for inverted wingers and a withdrawn forward (Amad), who played most of his football via Roberts right wing.
Even though we signed multiple forwards during the summer, Mowbray did not adapt to this (apart from the odd occasion in friendlies) and continued to play the same way using the wingers for everything (and as we have found out, they have been sussed).
The point (and this is only my opinion), is that Stewart or anybody else playing striker would struggle to score in this set up as they are not receiving enough of the ball either in crosses or in behind from the midfield.
Probably because none of them have suggested they’re good enough to have a game plan tailored to them.
 

Honest reflection from decent bloke who should not have been sacked but the longer journey(although true) comment got him the undeserved bullet.....good look tony im whatever you do next!...and thanks for the best,most entertaining football ive watched live in my lifetime.
 
You've lost the plot over losing an average championship manager and have resorted to spouting insults and shite the last few days to anyone who disagrees with you. :lol:

Rusyn especially was making clever runs in the box and especially to the near post but we mostly play too slowly to take advantage of this as we just don't adapt the way we play to the different players who play up front. We expect all the players we play up front to drop in and play as a pivot, a tactic we used well last year with Gelhardt but not moved on from this season but expect different players to play that role. The strikers we have this year are not the same player that Gelhardt was and imo is the reason that Jobe has worked best in that role.

We'll see what these players look like under a new manager and new tactics.

What 'insults'? Saying something you've said is absolutely nonsense? Just calling what I see.

Truth be told I'm not actually bothered Mowbray has gone now he actually has done. But I am concerned about the foreign players we've signed in the last year and just how far away many of them look from being ready for the rigours of English football, no suprise really though givn the lack of senior football many have seen and their ages though.

There's a lot of bollocks being spouted about the forward situation and just like you I've given my take on it.

You mention Rusyn's runs towards the near post and the lack of any service of that type - yet neglect to mention the chances hes had in thst situation or the assist for Jobe again, in that situation.

With regards Gelhardt the only thing he actually done well was drop deep and link, he was absolutely hopeless in the box. He probably linked well as he's a link player and not a centre forward.

Neither Burstow or Mayenda have been expected to or have played as a pivot. It's got to the stage some have seen a video posted last week showing this apparent problem and are completely ignoring the through balls or balls over the top anytime Mayenda or Burstow have played.

In fact I find it quite amusing that you expect our players (and us as a team) to adapt, but not the forwards we sign. They can be as one dimensional as they like, apparently.
 
Fuck me, you are going to use the few chances we have created for forwards this season as some kind of evidence. We barely create one a game for strikes who are low in confidence in front of goal and under lots of pressure. Hardly the situation to get them playing well imo.

Burstow for one has had loads of opportunities played through and has either fluffed them, not anticipated or simply been outmuscled and had the ball taken off him. Had he shown any sort of competency the players on the pitch aren't daft - they will utilise him more and that's exactly why we get the ball out to Clarke as often as we do. Burstow though is absolutely shite.

With regards Mayenda he's barely played but when he has we've generally tried utilise his pace quite regularly, till he becomes a bit less effective. He's proven to be quite a decent runner getting in behind but a bit sloppy with regards control or finishing at pace- to be expected at his age.

Rusyn again has barely started. He's looked quite tidy and seems to find space in the box well trying to get on the last man. If you've watched you'll see we've tried to bend in cross field balls occasionally for him to get in behind for but we haven't really excelled and to be truthful I also think he's struggled a bit with the physicality as a lone striker andnthe attention of several defenders. He looks the pick of the bunch at the moment but his run has been cut short with injury and hasn't really looked like a player ready to lead the line.

All the forwards have had opportunities and like Jobe done in open play you have to contribute and has he's done in front of goal - you will get chances if you get in the right areas.
 

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