Did Mowbray self Sabotage to make a point?


I think you might be correct. At times in the last few games it just didn't make sense.

TMs signing of Dack as one of the biggest earners, first nail in his coffin.

Yes that I agree he is some outlier... a big bruising CF, would have made sense and worth a fight over.
 
I just think he'd lost the plot a bit. His failure to get it right up front was frustrating despite having a number of options, poor subs at times and not changing things until we were behind was poor.

Overall though he was a very good manager, however, there's an opportunity now to improve further still and to get to the next level.
 
No

I think he had a hard time getting over the speculation in the summer and was possibly just all on edge that we would make the change in the short term.

Sad it didn't work out ...but this couldn't remain as they were
We could say it didn't work out or he did exactly what they wanted and it did work out. Club is 6th and will go for it over next 18 months
 
We can only guess at the conversation...

TM: We'd be winning more games if we had a decent striker to finish the moves off.
KS: I gave you 4. Are you saying none of them are any good?
TM: Yeah, they've all got potential. But I need someone with experience.
KS: Good. Because the model is for us to buy young and inexperienced players with potential - and then for the Head Coach to develop them
TM: I am coaching and developing them. They just don't have the experience at this level.
KS: How will they get experience at this level then?
TM: By playing regularly at this level
KS: Off you pop then, Tony.......

Maybe part of Tony's problem was that he had 4 choices, all with different attributes. Hemir had a god pre-season but seems to have let his head drop after being given limited time on the park since the 1st game. Burstow has - simply - looked out of his depth apart from the odd flash of good play.

Rusyn (for me) has looked the most mobile and worked best as a link-up player in the unit but TM appeared frustrated with him after the Plymouth game. Mayenda looks the most raw but also the most fearless.

Last season we persevered with Gelhardt because we had nothing else. I think he did (and we did) improve between January and May because of that perseverance. Maybe if Mowbray had stuck with one of them for a more sustained period they'd have blagged a lucky goal and suddenly found the confidence to lead the line with more purpose and energy.

We'll never know, I suppose.
 
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He'd just run out of ideas.
These comments where he was forced to play certain players are absolute horseshit IMO. Could you imagine somebody of Mowbrays managerial experience not walking if he was told to do this ?
Truth of the matter was he was not the manager (thank goodness, if Bradley Dack was the sum of his playing recruitment nous), but wanted to become the manager and did not like it so made his gob go and was called out by his 2 bosses.
Respect what he did for the club, but he had run out of ideas as you say.
It was immediate to see yesterday (IMO), how much more disciplined the team had become, even with Dodds only in charge as a caretaker. The result was we won comfortably (more than the scoreline suggests) and we only conceded one silly goal as we were a lot tighter as a team (people actually playing positions and doing their job) than we have been, and we still managed to play expansive football.
 
These comments where he was forced to play certain players are absolute horseshit IMO. Could you imagine somebody of Mowbrays managerial experience not walking if he was told to do this ?
So in your opinion, the next coach will be allowed to disregard the four strikers the way Dodds did yesterday? No chance.
 
Well Dodds managed to do it and he will be in charge on Tuesday.
He’s got the brief to take charge of 2/3 games and win them. The next coach will have to get results AND develop the players we’ve signed over a period of 9 months to longer.
 
The problem is always you don't know what was we being said behind closed doors.

Perhaps he was being asked to accommodate a striker. Perhaps he was responding to being told he couldn't sign one in January or one that's more pedigreed. Perhaps he was just picking what he felt was his best option. It's a miss mash of possibilities and they could be a mix of a few together.
 
There’s NO chance a new coach will be allowed to totally disregard four strikers they’ve just signed.
 
He’s got the brief to take charge of 2/3 games and win them. The next coach will have to get results AND develop the players we’ve signed over a period of 9 months to longer.
and I am happy with that, but that is a long way short of being forced to play certain players. I am sure he will give people a go mind (whoever he is), and if any are not going to make it (which some won't with the approach we are taking), will be in conversation with Speakman and they will be peddled hopefully with no loss to the club and new players brought in.
Even with the best will in the world and even if they had all hit the ground running we were never going to play more than 2 strikers at once.
 
Don’t see what any of this has to do with my post.

The decent striker point is another conversation all together. It comes down to not been many of them about and those that are cost a lot of money which then challenges the model as splashing large sums isn't the remit.

You said he didn't have to play a striker as was proven yesterday. I just pointed out Mowbray wanted a striker to play up top.
 
and I am happy with that, but that is a long way short of being forced to play certain players. I am sure he will give people a go mind (whoever he is), and if any are not going to make it (which some won't with the approach we are taking), will be in conversation with Speakman and they will be peddled hopefully with no loss to the club and new players brought in.
Even with the best will in the world and even if they had all hit the ground running we were never going to play more than 2 strikers at once.
This is what I don’t get. Mowbray says the strikers aren’t good enough. Boooo Bad Mowbray get gone. His successor says the same. People will lap it up and blame someone else.
 
This is what I don’t get. Mowbray says the strikers aren’t good enough. Boooo Bad Mowbray get gone. His successor says the same. People will lap it up and blame someone else.
Don't think he ever said they weren't good enough, but more not the finished article and raw. To be perfectly honest, the way he had the team set up, Harry Kane would have had difficulty scoring with the scraps they were forced to feed off.
Don't know what system the new bloke will play, might be inverted wingers with everything going through them, might be authodox with crosses raining in, might even be midfield with a striker running in behind.
Whatever the system the new bloke will assess the four on the books (although Burstow might go back), and make decisions from there.
 

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