Di Canio - I was right to ban ketchup


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He's an idiot. Comparing himself to Conte and Guardiola :lol:

Difference might be that they had previously been successful and he's a f***ing raving lunatic.
He'd been relatively successful at Swindon hadn't he?

For what it's worth, I thought the bloke was only a couple screws short of being what the club might have needed in the long run. Having thought about it for a few years now, I just don't think he was all that pragmatic. Chasing an ideology is well and good but asking things to change so abruptly overnight was always going to lead to problems.
 
He had spats with both, both sort of happened on the field initially too, then banned both from the club I think, called Foderingham "the worst professional he'd ever seen" etc etc and made a very public point of getting Clarke out of the club. He seems to do this shit quite often.



Absolute nonsense. We were allover tactically from the start of the season but anyone saying the players weren't trying or putting a shift in is talking out of their arse. He'd lost them by the WBA game, but earlier games like Arsenal and Fulham they were certainly buying into playing for him.



Good point, except for the absolute fact Di Canio can't seem to decide who he did want from the squad and who he didn't.

Di Canio himself has said since he didn't get this and that, but earlier he also said he'd wanted to keep Ji, he wanted Altidore. He then distanced himself from some of the players brought in, only to change his mind and say he wanted Ki and Borini nd they were the only ones he ok'ed when we went on the good cup run and those players were playing well. He's a bullshitting gobshite and the easily led buy into his bullshit.



Some players bought into his methods some didn't - that was well documented at the time. It's even been mentioned by someone who would know that in this very thread. It was more than just training methods ffs and being strict - you don't really believe that bullshit do you? Sam Allardyce came in and when it comes to training and recovery was ahead of the game 10/15 years ago, even now he is doing thing which other managers don't. He embraces many of the same things, even if some of the diet maybe isn't so strict - players tend to love playing for him and he had no problems here, because he knows how to actually manage people. That is the biggest point in this argument. Allardyce wasn't a total f***ing lunatic criticising players publically, making it all about his ego, banishing others from the squad and hitting every problem square on. The problem here is you're still maintaining it was simply down to being strict, as if no one else ever is. One of the key people in going to Byrne was John OShea. A man described by Alex Ferguson as a ideal pro, a model profesional. According to you though he's probably just a bit lazy, nothing to do with the fact as captain he was probably alarmed at how much damage Di Canio was doing.

You're trying to sway away from admitting Di Canio is miles over the top and his time going through 50 odd players and banishing half of them at Swindon shows it. The Swindon chairmen at the time calling it "management by hand grenade" shows it too. People in football talk, if he was so good he'd have had another job on the gravy train of football management. Because even if you've done some stupid things, if you've completely failed in your last job, then if you've done something decent there's always someone who will take that chance. Di Canio is a loose canon though, he causes problems and division and the Swindon chairman, the only man who's employed him who has gone public has even told you so, yet according to you it's just exaggerated stories about him :lol:
Bollocks :lol:
 
It was this interview where he said "I have been promised a strong squad - we'll see"
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/...eaks-to-the-media-at-hong-picture-id174149108



He just needed to tone it down. The lack of "football experience" on the board meant there was no one to have a quiet word with him.
Football experience on the board...what a myth.
We are one of the few clubs ever to have had an ex pro as CEO .
Who are the ex pros at United, Chelsea, city etc that would argue with the managers .
Quinn was scared shitless of Keane and let him run rampant. He never said a word to Bruce.
Do you seriously believe pepe at all would countenance anyone questioning their football decisions?
 
I've already put my point across you responded with 'absolute nonsense' well it's all just opinions because we weren't there, I've heard things, you heard things and both formed different opinions about it and that's it.

No. Yours is based on nothing but supposition and your opinion. You still cannot grasp that there's a bit more to it than a few exaggerated stories from some safc players as to why no one will touch him with a barge pole. I've at least given reasoning and comments from people who have employed him in the past and who were working here at the time and not as players.

The bloke was out of his depth even in the way he set up the side nevermind his complete inability to manage people.

Unfortunately there are some who are easily led and because we're shit and because he layed blame in the press who have bought his rhetoric hook line and sinker.

Plenty of blame to go around, but as usual we package it all up with a neat little bow and give it all to the departing manager.
There had been rumblings about the players for years before PDC was appointed. The completely obvious switch off under Sbragia after they'd campaigned for him to get the job as they knew it would be an easy life. The holiday camp under MoN, where they responded to being treated like responsible pros by doing as little as they could get away with, and often less than that. Afterwards, Poyet publicly giving in and performances miraculously getting better when there was a chance of personal embarrassment to them.

I'm surprised he didn't go mental earlier tbh, it must have been infuriating. No coincidence the only time we looked half decent consistently was when Allardyce was hitting them over the head with their stats, giving them nowhere to hide.


But we haven't done that so I don't get the point. No one blames di canio for it all. He just made a mess worse.

Surely when you talk about poyet giving in and the players getting better when there was less chance of embarrassment to them, how does that work? Getting relegated would have been a bigger embarrassment regardless whether poyet had given up or not.

As for the stuff at the end about allardyce and hitting them over the head with stats. Noticeably they played more for him than any other recent manager and he got more of them out on the pitch more often. If what you keep on insisting is true it wouldn't have mattered a jot to them. More to do with level of organisation and playing to strengths than any bullshit about players not trying or being professional.
 
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No. Yours is based on nothing but supposition and your opinion. You still cannot grasp that there's a bit more to it than a few exaggerated stories from some safc players as to why no one will touch him with a barge pole. I've at least given reasoning and comments from people who have employed him in the past and who were working here at the time and not as players.

The bloke was out of his depth even in the way he set up the side nevermind his complete inability to manage people.

Unfortunately there are some who are easily led and because we're shit and because he layed blame in the press who have bought his rhetoric hook line and sinker.
Unfortunately some on here will have nothing said against the players and everything is the managers fault then the next manager then the next...... the same players pictured drinking in clubs, rolling around in money on casino floors, the same players staggering around newcastle vandalising cars.
Di canio had his faults and his man management wasn't the best but in my opinion he should of been backed.
 
Unfortunately some on here will have nothing said against the players and everything is the managers fault then the next manager then the next...... the same players pictured drinking in clubs, rolling around in money on casino floors, the same players staggering around newcastle vandalising cars.
Di canio had his faults and his man management wasn't the best but in my opinion he should of been backed.

Understatement of the f***ing decade :lol::lol::lol::lol:

And thankfully the club realised their mistake and he wasn't backed, they probably could never afford to back him everytime he took a dislike to a player like he did at Swindon. No other club has bothered with him since either in almost FIVE years. That in itself tells a story.

Another pretty dire reply tbh. The players are an entirely different argument and they won't get much support from me. Oh and BTW if you think most of that is any different from any club where young men are concerned then you're sadly mistaken, nor is all of that not being professional when it comes to sport - it depends where and how and how much.
 
Understatement of the f***ing decade :lol::lol::lol:

And thankfully the club realised their mistake and he wasn't backed, they probably could never afford to back him everytime he took a dislike to a player like he did at Swindon. No other club has bothered with him since either in almost FIVE years. That in itself tells a story.

Another pretty dire reply tbh. The players are an entirely different argument and they won't get much support from me. Oh and BTW if you think most of that is any different from any club where young men are concerned then you're sadly mistaken, nor is all of that not being professional when it comes to sport - it depends where and how and how much.
:lol: just having a bit of a friendly debate marra.
I can't prove what i think is right and neither can you it's just opinions.
 
:lol: just having a bit of a friendly debate marra.
I can't prove what i think is right and neither can you it's just opinions.

You can't. But apart from being a success at Swindon for a short time he's got nothing more than rhetoric to fans who lapped up his comments as their team has been failing for years. The idea he'd then be a success here given all we find is stretching it to the maximum, yet there's always an excuse in his favour why it didn't show on the field.

Whereas the stuff about him being a loose cannon and mental and over the top largely comes from people within the game who have worked with him as well as the failings we saw here whilst in charge. He wont manage at a decent level over here again.
 
Same old shite about Di Canio as soon as we're shit again and struggling. He was right to ban ketchup, that wasn't the problem with him or why he hasn't worked since though. There's a little bit more to it than that.



Bollocks it is. There's a million reasons why we're not a PL club, not replacing those players with players of adequate quality is one of the main reasons, not because some of those players thought it was in the best interests of the club to rid itself of a raging lunatic.



His man management was appalling. He largely got away with it at Swindon being a lower level and being able to get rid of players more easily, but he went through 50 odd players even falling out with ones he'd signed and it must have cost them a fortune. You simply cannot manage anyone never mind footballers with egos the way he was trying to manage. Even calling it 'managing' is about as far away from the definition of the term as you can get.

Regarding Swindon you are correct.
Biggest budget in the division and would have bankrupt us.
However nobody had to give him the money thus he spent what he was given and uttimately that was down to the Board.
Fell out with a fair few players indeed but they followed him and he got us to the top of Division one. Mad bastard indeed but he was getting results.
Could never see it lasting and something was going to give.
 
Listen to people employed at the club like Craig Russell about being sacked for smiling too much, about not being allowed in on match days and the lead to it, about staff not being allowed in the canteen when first team players were there and not allowed to make eye contact as it took their focus away from the training/game. He had completely lost the plot. Listen back to his interviews here - he was deranged.

Look as how he was acting, look at his time at Swindon and the farce with Leon Clarke, the Wes Foderingham nonsense, the fact he hasn't been employed since. There's plenty of comments and things out there if you look.

There were a few more fall outs. I knew Nick Watkins the CEO at Swindon and never disclosed on forums the conversations he shared.
The term " management by hand grenade" was defined by Nick.
Sunderland never contacted Swindon for references or advice and if they would have done they would have been willing to offer it.
For the record Di Canio and Watkins got on and there was some mutual respect. I put some of that down to age and the way he handled disputes like the Clarke, Fodderingham, Caddis, Kerouche (was a heavy smoker) incidents and a few more.

I wish Sunderland would have given him more time and if the Board supported him you never know how it would have ended up.

Would never have swapped that era it was magnificent.
For all the fallouts he made Matt Ritchie a better player and Matt Ritchie bought into Di Canio's methods. Yes he is a tad crazy and met him a few times, once ten minutes in his office just talking football. Never met anyone so passionate in the game and that sets him off as a little crazy and battles against his own insecurity.
 
.. Had all the ingredients to be a top class manger .. If he hadn't had a few extra ones he would have went far ..

OK - based on his two years in the lower divisions and his 12 games here, what ingredients did he have to be a 'top class manager'?
 
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