Defoe on Moyes at Sunderland


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Naa, sorry but I don't buy that at all. I think Defoe's better than that.

So are you agreeing with Defoe that Moyes is a great coach ?
It is possible he just liked the bloke. There's people at work I like who are shit at their jobs.
If he was a colleague, then yes I could agree, but if you've got a shit manager who's inability to do their job has a direct impact on your teams performance, then it needs to be outed
 
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It's a fact that he was pathetic here and failed.
Nothing to debate at all.
Not sure the west ham is trying to achieve with his postings, he's doing well there, whoop de do. Has no bearings on the fact that here, he was dog shit.
 
So are you agreeing with Defoe that Moyes is a great coach ?

If he was a colleague, then yes I could agree, but if you've got a shit manager who's inability to do their job has a direct impact on your teams performance, then it needs to be outed
I'm willing to accept Defoe's opinion of him.
After Allardyce made a sharp exit when we appeared to finally be on the up. You might remember it differently of course.
I wouldn't call that arriving under a cloud. Allardyce took the biggest job in the game. We made a decent appointment to replace him. There was no cloud.
 
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Doesn’t surprise me tbh. The players just weren’t good enough. Moyes knew it we all knew it. It was a joke of a club at that point - Short the biggest issue followed by his toothless employees. Recruitment was dreadful and Allardyce just used one shady agent despite him doing well with the players. Moyes should have kept his mouth shut like. We’re in league one I know but look at how well run we are now compared to then, with a pittance of the income.
 
Before our game today

“He was brilliant to be honest. People always spoke about David Moyes being miserable but then he came and he really impressed me. His sessions, everything was with the ball, little rondos, possessions, attention to detail was unbelievable. Set-pieces, and all the meetings. What impressed me was how he treated the senior players. He wanted you to control the dressing room. He was just fantastic and it’s not surprised me the job he has done here.”

Having witnessed the football we played under him in comparison to how Big Sam had us playing, it doesn’t really matter what anyone says about him… the evidence in how his time should be assessed, is in the players he signed, dross served up on the pitch and fact he sucked the very life out of the club.

Fuck him, Bain & Short! They well and truly set us on the path to where we now are!
 
Squad was crap but some of his signings should have been subject to an inquiry. Pienaar and Lescott had both been finished for years. Gave up 2 weeks in, but took the money while sitting on his hands watching us drop out of the league.
Giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt, I think those signings were a case of bringing in players he felt he knew and could trust, to influence the dressing room. Both Pienaar and Lescott were free agents when they signed, and were only on short contracts. They certainly won't have broken the bank.

Again, ya could see what he was trying to do with Oviedo and Gibson, but it turned out to be a bit of a disaster.
 
I've got no doubting at all that he's a good coach. But whilst manager he he acted like a proper nob and did a really crap job.
 
Aww I get it. The hammers fans who used to slate their owners every minute of the day have suddenly found love .
Not at all pricks took another 20m out of the club in interest last season

But with our new Czech multi billionaire owning 27% now ahead of a full takeover when gold and Sullivan don’t have to give the TWD payer any of the 500m profit they are making on westvham at least the end is in sight
 
Giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt, I think those signings were a case of bringing in players he felt he knew and could trust, to influence the dressing room. Both Pienaar and Lescott were free agents when they signed, and were only on short contracts. They certainly won't have broken the bank.

Again, ya could see what he was trying to do with Oviedo and Gibson, but it turned out to be a bit of a disaster.

All 4 were crap and all 4 were signed by Moyes.

Add in Adnan Januzaj and Donald Love, becuse Paddy McNair was ok, then he made 6 additions to the playing staff which were absolutely no benefit to the team and probably cost us over £100k a week.

The only one who was half decent was Victor Anichebe, but he was injured a lot of the time.

Moyes hoyed the towel in after the Boro game - 2 games into the season.

How can you possibly give him the benefit of doubt ?

He was a disaster and should have been sacked once Allardyce became available
 
Giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt, I think those signings were a case of bringing in players he felt he knew and could trust, to influence the dressing room. Both Pienaar and Lescott were free agents when they signed, and were only on short contracts. They certainly won't have broken the bank.

Again, ya could see what he was trying to do with Oviedo and Gibson, but it turned out to be a bit of a disaster.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge he brought them in because he needed people on his side in the dressing room?
 
The hatred of Moyes on here is the most bizarre aspect of your collective mindset. Not that you'll care about an outsider's viewpoint but the sentiment seems to have outgrown any kind of rationality. Like I say just the view of an outsider. It all seems to stem from a negative assessment he made of the squad when he had taken over. The way you go on makes it look like he'd been exposed as some kind of malicious saboteur.
We had finished the previous season on a high, top eight form the second half of the season. When he signed on the dotted line to manage our club he proceeded to remove every bit of optimism from day one, wasted a fortune on absolute dross instead of nailing down players who'd proven themselves in the previous month's, then brought in rejects and past it old boys from his Everton days to see the job through. Never his fault though...
You had to endure the doom-monger in all his pitiful glory - across one full, miserable, pathetic season - to understand that it wasn't just that he relegated us - it was the way he relegated us.

After the likes of Keane and Allardyce and Poyet and Advocaat and even Di Canio (bless him) kept us up with some show of determination, focus, graft and passion, that fraud Moyes took us down without a fight and the f***ed off away without so much as a scratch on him. Five years later the impacts of that tw@ts time with us is sill plain to see.

I'm surprised anyone took a punt on him at all after the debacle at Sunderland. That he's somehow managed to reinvent himself as a Top Ten PL manager after the way he presided over our demise makes my stomach churn.
Put it better than I did
 
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All 4 were crap and all 4 were signed by Moyes.

Add in Adnan Januzaj and Donald Love, becuse Paddy McNair was ok, then he made 6 additions to the playing staff which were absolutely no benefit to the team and probably cost us over £100k a week.

The only one who was half decent was Victor Anichebe, but he was injured a lot of the time.

Moyes hoyed the towel in after the Boro game - 2 games into the season.

How can you possibly give him the benefit of doubt ?

He was a disaster and should have been sacked once Allardyce became available
Because anyone with half a brain could work out the thinking behind it.

I completely disagree that he threw the towel in after the Boro game. We were within touching distance of safety at the end of January.
 
Because anyone with half a brain could work out the thinking behind it.

I completely disagree that he threw the towel in after the Boro game. We were within touching distance of safety at the end of January.
Come on then, I haven't got half a brain - tell me Moyes' thinking behind it
 
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